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Topic Title: How many downlights can you fit into a kitchen?
Topic Summary: Lotsssssss
Created On: 17 April 2014 10:43 PM
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 17 April 2014 10:43 PM
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Surveyed a property today.
82 downlights in the kitchen.
"Wow!" I said, "I bet that took the electrician a while?"
"Oh no, I installed them myself", said the homeowner, "I've only had to change 2 bulbs (GU4.5s) in 15 years."

The downlights are in perfect symmetry - far better than any laser could align. How did he manage this?
Let me tell you - he didn't let any of the joists get in his way, no no. A good notch out did the trick there ..... on no less than 30 of them!

Yikes, what kind of remedy do I offer for this ? - and I'm not concerning myself with Part A.

On another note, none of the downlights are fire rated, however, this is a single storey extension with only small loft space above, so is it an issue with Part B? The kitchen has a door sized opening to the house.
 17 April 2014 11:17 PM
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32 DLs & 3 pendants in a (large) kitchen. 6 banks of switching.
I thought that was overkill.

When the home automation guy came in to spec for his side of the job even his eyebrows raised a bit.

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 18 April 2014 08:10 AM
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What were the dimensions of the ceiling of that Kitchen?

82 hey!


"Lotsssssss" is a very apt description.

If you`re not concerning yourself with Part A then I`m sure you will have concerned the customer enough by your comments? Perhaps he`s now considering "trimmers" between joists to give the hatchet-ed parts of affected joists some supporting help from neighboring joists, if feasible!

Part B . well removing material away from the heat-source (down-lights)
might be a solution if space around and above them would give adequate distance and ventilation .

Actually, removing the down-lights then boarding and skimming might be the best answer once he has addressed structure of the ceiling issue then put some simple pendants etc in! LOL.

I think we should start a post of the various things we`ve seen when someone has "committed DIY".
It might be quite humorous !

Ebee (M I S P N)

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 18 April 2014 08:54 AM
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If its been like it for 15 years i would think the structure is fine. i pressume it was a cut roof rather than trusses. were there signs of burning around the notches, what size lamps and what sort of heat do they give out ? if not then the lights aren't causing a problem. What is the purpose of the survey ?

( obviously i am not saying its the right way to do it, its something a potential buyer would need to be aware of and probably an insurance company)

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