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 06 September 2018 03:35 PM
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davezawadi

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I am interested in feedback for those taking the regs exam, with any scheme or provider. I have been told by quite a few candidates that it is more difficult than expected, but this could be because the questions are better phrased?

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 06 September 2018 04:19 PM
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 06 September 2018 05:59 PM
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davezawadi

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Yes I know but this is a continuation and more specific. I want a wide selection of views, not just from those I train!

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 06 September 2018 09:08 PM
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alanblaby

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I usually whizz through multiple choice exams, I think I did the 17th in 45 mins.
But the 18th, I was there the full 2 hours. Maybe not just the questions were harder, but I wanted to get 100%. I miserably failed getting 100%, I got 4 wrong. Even now, I dont know what I got wrong.
The questions I struggled to find an answer to (size of earth busbar etc), I guessed correctly.
It is certainly harder than the 17th, but really, no-one should fail it, the book is at your side!
I think I had more questions that are not relevant to day to day electrical work, more toward specialist installers (car chargers, bonded mesh and other more uncommon things) that only a few people do.
I'm not sure that is a good thing, maybe it should be aimed more toward the everyday work that people do. I didnt have one question on 'what is the max Zs for this circuit?' Or 'what size cable should be used for this circuit?'
Or, maybe such questions are too easy?
I did notice that the questions went in virtually numerical order through the book. After 10 questions, that was obvious, so if there was one query I needed to look up, it was going to be after the answer to the previous question. The 17th , for me anyway, had a random selection, say Q1 was Section 5, then Q2 was Section 2.
 07 September 2018 05:46 PM
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Originally posted by: davezawadi

Yes I know but this is a continuation and more specific. I want a wide selection of views, not just from those I train!


Hi Dave, the first and last respondent to the OP in the link given cannot remember having been trained by your good self
 08 September 2018 10:47 AM
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HAHAHAHAHA alanblaby. I did exactly the same and got 93.3% as well, be nice to know as then you could swat up on them. The one thing I did notice was that I had absolutely no questions on the new sections, unless you count the reworded bit which mean the same thing.
My advice is to do the questions on the 17th on sparkyfacts website to get warmed up. Also there are a couple of questions that aren't in the book they should just be knowledge.
 08 September 2018 01:34 PM
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It is a level three qualification so I dont think that there would have been any attempt to make it more difficult. The fact is that 7671 is becoming increasingly unwieldy with far too much unnecessary material on board.
I started tutoring just when the 15th gave way to the 16th. From just over 200 pages to the mighty tome that we have now at 555 pages.
Back then I delivered the course over 8 weeks in 3-hour sessions to lads who had paid around £35 college fees. Now it seems that the learning is impossibly rammed in to 3 consecqutive days with fees of £500 and more.
I think that we need someone to take a big axe to half the clap in the document so that we can get back to a CPD programme that is a tad more worthwhile!

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 08 September 2018 04:12 PM
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John Peckham

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I have been delivering a one day course all over the South East for a couple months now.

I did 2 this week one in Newhaven and one in house for a large electrical contractor for Stroma.

The one in new haven was a mixed group of Stroma, NAPIT and NICEIC contractors and like all the other events the students come out of the exam saying it was hard, a lot harder than the 16th and 17th.

After the in house session exam to a group of very experienced staff same response. It was telling that a senior design engineer said having done the 16th and 17th exams he thought they were a bit like picking itmems out of the Argos catalogue! He. Said. The 18TH exam got him having to work at it and needing all the time.

Myself and my other 3 colleagues delivering the one day events for Stroma have previous experience teaching in colleges and one a university lecturer. We all work hard during the day to prepare the students for the exam and teach them about the changes from the 17th and we have a very high success rate but it is full on for both teacher and student.

Stroma send out pre-reading and sample questions and it noticeable that the students who don't do the pre-course work struggle during the day.

Zoom up and AlanB both came along to the Milton Keynes event to do exam only but they were already experienced and did the pre-work so full marks to them to pass without the tuition.

I surpose raising the bar for once rather than dumbing down is good for the industry and getting a meaningful qualification is good for the individuals personal pride. The winning formula is do the pre-work and work hard on the day if you want to be successful.

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 08 September 2018 05:08 PM
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Originally posted by: John Peckham

Zoom up and AlanB both came along to the Milton Keynes event to do exam only but they were already experienced and did the pre-work so full marks to them to pass without the tuition.


John, do you send out the pre-work for the exam-only candidates please? (I have booked for Southampton next month.)
 08 September 2018 06:20 PM
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John Peckham

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Chris

Yes the pre-reading is sent out by Stroma HQ via email.

Sadly I will not get to meet you as Southampton is just outside my patch but you will get to meet another forum member.

Good luck.

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 09 September 2018 06:35 PM
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sparkingchip

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What ages are the guys doing the update courses at present, am I right in thinking it's the over thirties doing the updates with more older than younger guys?

At what age do electricians start doing regulations courses if they have never done one before?

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 09 September 2018 07:29 PM
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All ages represented. A young guy in his twenties did exam only at the Hewhaven event and passed.

Lots of job changers, returners to the trade and retired/redundant veterans becoming one man bands doing the odd job to keep them happy and interested. Ex teachers and police of have come to hate their jobs and looking for a new start seem to be over representative.

So people coming from all sorts of backgrounds and ages.

If it is like the patten of the original 16th to 17th change I had very large classes of angry I don't want to be here, I have been a Sparks for decades, it's all a scam and I am going to sit here with my arms folded and not join in but I have no option having resisted for 2 years but I have to have the qualification. After a few nights they softened and started to join in and asks questions and by the end were enthusiastic converts.

The Stroma course feedback tends to focus on the lunch provision for the delegates! Newhaven was a big hit with me also with cottage pie and apple and black berry crumble and custard.

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 09 September 2018 07:51 PM
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geoffsd

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Could you please tell me why they do not tell you which question(s) you got wrong?
 09 September 2018 08:34 PM
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sparkingchip

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That would mean the question had to be printed out onto the marking sheet if you actually wanted to know the precise details and eventually all the questions could be out the control of the examiner.

It would also allow specific coaching on problematic questions.

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 12 September 2018 12:24 PM
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davezawadi

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Hi Chris
John has slightly let the secret out of the bag, and all being well you will meet me in Southampton next month. The pre-course questions are very important, in that they get you looking at the BBB properly. We all use the same course material, which is the usual set of power points, but at least as important is learning to use the BBB quickly, which many of the students find difficult. It is very helpful to make use of the trainer, we are pretty interactive, those who do best ask the most! I would advise against just doing the exam, those doing so tend to scrape through, and come out saying it was difficult!

This is a rather cleverer exam than before, and each candidate does not necessarily get the same questions and not in the same order, so you cannot copy! Each of the four choices of answer is usually reasonable, whereas the 17th often had only 2 sensible choices of the correct answer. You cannot know which questions you failed because only the computers know which ones you got, and we cannot ask the right questions by design of the exam.

I don't think that any of our candidates have got 100% yet, probably because no one has managed to look up 60 answers in the 2 hours available. But as John says, the pass rate is high (100% in a couple of courses), and those failing seem to score very badly perhaps due to inadequate knowledge to correctly interpret the questions, and in one case sheer panic! Calm is essential along with concentrating hard for 2 hours, so practice with the BBB is very helpful.

Someone showed me the online sparkyfacts yesterday, and it could help you practice. It is not quite like the real thing but any looking up is helpful.

I think that the index of the 18th could be improved, I have found many cases now where getting the right answer is hampered by the indexing in slightly unexpected ways. Again, as much knowledge of the BBB as possible is the key.

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 12 September 2018 10:34 PM
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Originally posted by: davezawadi

Hi Chris

John has slightly let the secret out of the bag, and all being well you will meet me in Southampton next month. The pre-course questions are very important, in that they get you looking at the BBB properly. We all use the same course material, which is the usual set of power points, but at least as important is learning to use the BBB quickly, which many of the students find difficult.


My thinking is that it will be more important to do some homework during the previous week than just on the day. I have the advantage of having done 17th Edn only last year and I shall go through my past papers again. The answers may be different, but the questions must be largely the same.

In fact, I'm going to stick my neck out here, but I think that one could pass using the 17th Edn BYB. If 90% is unchanged, then 90% should be achievable.

I would advise against just doing the exam, those doing so tend to scrape through, and come out saying it was difficult!


We shall see!

Again, as much knowledge of the BBB as possible is the key.


That's where being in here helps.
 13 September 2018 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by: chrispearson

In fact, I'm going to stick my neck out here, but I think that one could pass using the 17th Edn BYB. If 90% is unchanged, then 90% should be achievable.

Risky I'd say. I would expect the 18th edition exam to be on the other 10%

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 13 September 2018 09:14 PM
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John Peckham

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One student today scored 59 out of 60 at the Stroma event in St Ives Cambs today. Myself and my fellow trainers have had a handful of 59 scores but no one has hit the jackpot yet.

Chris

I am not sure about that. 16th and 17th exams tended to have 2 silly answers leaving a choice of 2 to pick from. The 18TH tends to have 4 credible answers to pick from.

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 13 September 2018 11:30 PM
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Originally posted by: burn

Risky I'd say. I would expect the 18th edition exam to be on the other 10% [IMG][/IMG]


It couldn't be because the exam tests new entrants as well as updaters.

I am so tempted to attend with my BYB. What have I got to lose? No more than £45.

Originally posted by: John Peckham

One student today scored 59 out of 60 at the Stroma event in St Ives Cambs today. Myself and my fellow trainers have had a handful of 59 scores but no one has hit the jackpot yet.


Bugger, that means my 90% wouldn't be enough. Any road, that's the sort of challenge which I like.

I am not sure about that. 16th and 17th exams tended to have 2 silly answers leaving a choice of 2 to pick from. The 18TH tends to have 4 credible answers to pick from.


So if you don't know you score 25% instead of 50%. Still not enough.

Eeeh, you lot aren't half going to laugh if I come a cropper.
 14 September 2018 12:31 PM
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davezawadi

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You ought to have a copy of the BBB as you may fall foul of the rules, which is the BBB only depending on the invigilator, and he is quite strict! There are a number of changes to the 17th, in fact there is a line by maybe 50% of lines. Mostly harmless though. You are allowed to mark / tag this as you like. No electronics allowed and you may only borrow a calculator.

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