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Topic Title: Pimlico plumbers lose their appeal against an X 'employee'
Topic Summary: Workers rights
Created On: 13 June 2018 10:06 PM
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 13 June 2018 10:06 PM
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dustydazzler

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A big wake up call to the 'gig economy' where large firms abuses their 'workers' by not paying holiday pay , sick pay etc etc
 13 June 2018 10:10 PM
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daveparry1

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But as he was supposedly "self employed" why should he be entitled to holiday and sick pay Dusty?
 13 June 2018 10:14 PM
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dustydazzler

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It's the 'self employed' bit which he was disputing

He wore their uniform, drove their van, used their kit and work exclusively for Pimlico I believe

Does that sound like a free lance self employed contractor to you ?
 13 June 2018 10:18 PM
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daveparry1

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I'd have thought that would be an I/Rev matter, didn't they have a big tightening up of that a few years ago?
 13 June 2018 10:20 PM
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dustydazzler

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Firms were 'told' to review the status of their employees / workers

But the geezer from Pimlico genuinely believe he is above the law I reckon
 13 June 2018 10:22 PM
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perspicacious

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And what NI did the "employer" and "employee" avoid by the SE "arrangement"?

Years ago I gather it was called "willing collusion" by the HMRC.

I understand that NI contributions fund healthcare, for which in my current circumstances, I am very grateful.

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 13 June 2018 10:27 PM
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daveparry1

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Sorry to hear that BOD, nothing too serious I hope?
 13 June 2018 10:28 PM
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Blencathra

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NI and general taxation fund healthcare, of which I am too very grateful
 13 June 2018 11:10 PM
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sparkingchip

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Originally posted by: Blencathra

NI and general taxation fund healthcare, of which I am too very grateful


Is NI ringfenced for healthcare or just general taxation?

Was the guy working for Plimlico picking and choosing when be wanted to be self employed?
 13 June 2018 11:52 PM
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KFH

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For many years the IR have been chasing contractors, especially IT contractors, under IR35 which is the legislation related to disguised employment. They (the IR) have a web based guidance tool for the latest incarnation of their rules which apply to public organisations and they are trying to extend to everyone else. Those that know about these things say the tool is inaccurate and does not follow established case law.

When the new rules were introduced into the public sector a large number of contractors left the IR computer projects!

The old rules are the ones that have embarrassed the BBC who effectively forced their staff to become self employed.

I have often wondered how so many companies have managed to get away with it for so long given the IR's enthusiasm for persecuting other sectors and individual contractors rater than employers. I believe the IR loose a large number of IR35 cases that go to tribunal and further.
 14 June 2018 08:07 AM
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Blencathra

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Originally posted by: sparkingchip

Originally posted by: Blencathra



NI and general taxation fund healthcare, of which I am too very grateful




Is NI ringfenced for healthcare or just general taxation?

I believe NI is purely to fund benefit payments, pension, sick pay etc



Was the guy working for Plimlico picking and choosing when be wanted to be self employed?
 14 June 2018 09:11 AM
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ebee

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I`m highly delighted they lost it. Scandalous. I`m self employed and fit the bill going by the approved definitions. I hope it snowballs in a spectacular fashion.

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 14 June 2018 09:50 AM
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rocknroll

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LOL when I saw that guy from Pimlico Plumbers I thought, very Rod Stewart with the mullet and the suit, very 80's.

I liked this bit,
When asked if he would now have to rewrite workers' contracts, Mr Mullins replied: "We changed the contracts seven years ago when we found a couple of loopholes in them; we've changed that and our contracts now are watertight, like our plumbing service."

LOL good one Rod.

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 14 June 2018 10:02 AM
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rocknroll

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Originally posted by: ebee

I`m highly delighted they lost it. Scandalous. I`m self employed and fit the bill going by the approved definitions. I hope it snowballs in a spectacular fashion.


I think you got nothing to worry about, although I don't have a great interest in the case I think it revolves around a definition, are you self employed or as the case of the plumbers a worker under instruction where you exclusively work for them only with the benefits of van, uniform tools etc;

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 14 June 2018 10:18 AM
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ebee

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I`m not bothered about me, I am self emplyed and although I have worked substaintly over the years for one or two main contractors for as much as up4 weeks in one stretch a few times with plenty of 1 hour 2 hours, day, two days jobs and lots of recommendations to customers for me to work directly as well as freedom to work for my own customers then I still satisfied being self emplyed including on moral grounds too.

But firms who are blatantly circumventing this I`d hang `em.

Don`t get me started on zero hour contracts either.

It`s always the emplyee who loses out and the wide boys are the flashy ones. Spivs, Rod Stewart look alikes etc etc

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 14 June 2018 10:40 AM
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dustydazzler

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has the geezer who owns Pimlico plumbers been using his head to unblock toilets
 14 June 2018 01:39 PM
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mikejumper

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Originally posted by: dustydazzler

has the geezer who owns Pimlico plumbers been using his head to unblock toilets

You're thinking of a different Rod.
 14 June 2018 04:52 PM
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ebee

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Originally posted by: mikejumper

Originally posted by: dustydazzler



has the geezer who owns Pimlico plumbers been using his head to unblock toilets


You're thinking of a different Rod.


DYNO ROD STEWART

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 14 June 2018 05:18 PM
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Legh

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Originally posted by: mikejumper

Originally posted by: dustydazzler

has the geezer who owns Pimlico plumbers been using his head to unblock toilets


You're thinking of a different Rod.


Lol .... and its still Thursday



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 20 June 2018 06:27 PM
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peteTLM

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Not a massive Rod stewart fan, but have to say being that he's a local, that he's a straightforward normal guy and keeps his head down. Mr Pimlico on the other hand is the rubber faced plastic surgery gone wrong spitting image puppet of himself who gets rich by trying everything in the book to stuff everyone else.
20 year old vans but they have private plates, don't customers hear alarm bells..... :-)

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