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Topic Title: 18th EDITION
Topic Summary: 13A SOCKETS AND RINGS GET BANNED
Created On: 01 April 2018 09:10 AM
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 02 April 2018 08:48 AM
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Jaymack

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One that I was completely taken in by at work, was a telephone call from a receptionist, to say that a Colonel Sanders had left a message for me to call back, and ask to speak to him urgently. It was the Kentucky Fried Chicken outlet. Doh!

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 16 April 2018 01:11 AM
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davyn1

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Excellent news radial and spider ccts all the way ????never did unferstand all that electric going round and round ??

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 16 April 2018 08:07 AM
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alancapon

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Originally posted by: davyn1
Excellent news radial and spider ccts all the way ???? . . .

Did you not notice that JP started this thread on the morning of April 1st?

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 16 April 2018 09:41 AM
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dustydazzler

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Spider circuits along with lolly pop, Christmas tree, wonky star and badgers claw circuits will all make there way into the 18th at some stage
 16 April 2018 10:10 AM
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mapj1

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They already are permitted- under the title ' radial final circuit'
just fuse down to match the thinnest cable in use, and it will comply

I prefer 'crab claw' for the broken ring, badgers claws are not the right shape.






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 16 April 2018 10:12 AM
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dustydazzler

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broken ring with copious amounts of random spurs supply all sorts off 1 x 32a mcb = badgers claw

Edited: 16 April 2018 at 10:20 AM by dustydazzler
 16 April 2018 10:45 AM
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davyn1

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Yes i noticed hence the round and round ??

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 17 April 2018 12:51 PM
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Dibbsy

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Luckily I happened to see when this was posted before I read it otherwise you might have had me! I've got a load of double sockets sitting around too

Not everyone will agree but I recon it would be a breath of fresh air to see the back of ring final circuits!

As for the 13A BS1363 they are the best in the world! Hail the 1363!

Euro - Rubbish!
US/Asia/etc - Rubbish!
Aus/NZ - Rubbish!
 17 April 2018 02:23 PM
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ebee

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Ring finals are here for ever.
Stood the test of time.
Many advantages.
Very few disadvantages.
The continentals will eventually adopt them.
Just give them time.

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 17 April 2018 03:08 PM
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dustydazzler

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Originally posted by: ebee

Ring finals are here for ever.

Stood the test of time.

Many advantages.

Very few disadvantages.

The continentals will eventually adopt them.

Just give them time.


I agree with everything except that the bit about the continentals adopting our ring tings

Not gonna happen as in many countries Its actually against regulation to put 2 cables on one breaker
 17 April 2018 04:02 PM
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AJJewsbury

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I agree with everything except that the bit about the continentals adopting our ring tings

Not gonna happen as in many countries Its actually against regulation to put 2 cables on one breaker

A bigger problem than that would be the lack of fuses in their plugs - without that they can't really go above 16A or 20A for a socket circuit (as appliance flexes wouldn't be adequately protected), and so a ring couldn't serve any larger area than their radials do now, nor in most cases use significantly thinner cable. From that starting point, rings probably don't offer much of an advantage.

- Andy.
 17 April 2018 04:29 PM
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dustydazzler

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Originally posted by: AJJewsbury

I agree with everything except that the bit about the continentals adopting our ring tings



Not gonna happen as in many countries Its actually against regulation to put 2 cables on one breaker


A bigger problem than that would be the lack of fuses in their plugs - without that they can't really go above 16A or 20A for a socket circuit (as appliance flexes wouldn't be adequately protected), and so a ring couldn't serve any larger area than their radials do now, nor in most cases use significantly thinner cable. From that starting point, rings probably don't offer much of an advantage.



- Andy.


I have seen some more heavy duty unfused plugs and sockets used abroad on 30/40/amp circuits in kitchens and laundry rooms etc
Not to dissimilar to our commander sockets

But yes general standard appliance cords are on those horrible dual pin plugs with a bit of skinny flex cable

Certainly no where near rated at 30 Amps , not even close
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