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Topic Title: 18th EDITION
Topic Summary: 13A SOCKETS AND RINGS GET BANNED
Created On: 01 April 2018 09:10 AM
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 01 April 2018 09:10 AM
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John Peckham

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I attended a focus group yesterday at the IET on the 18th Edition.

We were each given a copy of the 18th Edition for use at the seminar but we had to had them back at the end of the day sadly.

Lots of new stuff and the book and noticeably thicker. There is a new Special Location for the mooring of ships and inland navigation vessels.

Circuits with sockets up to 63A will now have the disconnection time reduced to 0.4s and domestic lighting circuits have to have 30mA RCD protection.

We went through the whole book section by section and we were asked about the impact of each of the changes which was a bit tedious.

The big surprise which caused a lot of debate which we all disagreed with was the phasing out of 13A sockets and ring final circuits. Apparently we have not been complying with the Harmonized Document and the European Low Voltage Directive for years and the UK was threatened with the European Court for non compliance. The Low Voltage Directive requires equipment to be manufactured so that it can be used anywhere in the EU so anything with a 13A plug does not comply.

I argued this major change was not in the DPC so industry and the public have not had the opportunity to comment which was unfair.

There is a period of 12 months delay, no doubt for wholesalers to clear the shelves of 13A sockets, before the regulation comes in to force. After the 1st July 2019 all socket circuits will need to be on 16A radials with double pole MCBs and sockets will need to be standard Euro sockets.

On a more positive note we had a very nice lunch with plenty of red wine and we left with a 50% off voucher for the new book. Shame we had to give back our copies of the 18th!

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 01 April 2018 09:17 AM
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Blinkin ek!

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 01 April 2018 09:54 AM
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tomgunn

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Originally posted by: John Peckham

I attended a focus group yesterday at the IET on the 18th Edition.



We were each given a copy of the 18th Edition for use at the seminar but we had to had them back at the end of the day sadly.



Lots of new stuff and the book and noticeably thicker. There is a new Special Location for the mooring of ships and inland navigation vessels.



Circuits with sockets up to 63A will now have the disconnection time reduced to 0.4s and domestic lighting circuits have to have 30mA RCD protection.



We went through the whole book section by section and we were asked about the impact of each of the changes which was a bit tedious.



The big surprise which caused a lot of debate which we all disagreed with was the phasing out of 13A sockets and ring final circuits. Apparently we have not been complying with the Harmonized Document and the European Low Voltage Directive for years and the UK was threatened with the European Court for non compliance. The Low Voltage Directive requires equipment to be manufactured so that it can be used anywhere in the EU so anything with a 13A plug does not comply.



I argued this major change was not in the DPC so industry and the public have not had the opportunity to comment which was unfair.



There is a period of 12 months delay, no doubt for wholesalers to clear the shelves of 13A sockets, before the regulation comes in to force. After the 1st July 2019 all socket circuits will need to be on 16A radials with double pole MCBs and sockets will need to be standard Euro sockets.



On a more positive note we had a very nice lunch with plenty of red wine and we left with a 50% off voucher for the new book. Shame we had to give back our copies of the 18th!


OH NO! I can only fit 13 amp sockets... what can I do NOW???



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Edited: 01 April 2018 at 10:02 AM by tomgunn
 01 April 2018 09:58 AM
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tomgunn

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What will I do with all of my 13 amp plugs now John?? Can we sell them on here for a fraction of their cost??

I'm really worried now!!

regards - (oh - and happy Easter to everyone!).

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 01 April 2018 10:02 AM
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dustydazzler

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I don't know what's funnier the banning of sockets or the fact we all need to part with another £50 on another phone book
 01 April 2018 10:24 AM
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perspicacious

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Off all days John, telling us on March 32nd!

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 01 April 2018 10:50 AM
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gkenyon

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Originally posted by: perspicacious

Off all days John, telling us on March 32nd!



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 01 April 2018 11:26 AM
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Mr Peckham,
Lol .... Stop frightening the locals

Must be an alternative universe

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 01 April 2018 12:05 PM
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ToniSM

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Stop the use of BS1363, absolute madness!

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 01 April 2018 12:31 PM
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Ring Circuits Good or Bad. Here we go again.........http://gadsolutions.biz/electr...es/ring-main-good-bad

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 01 April 2018 12:32 PM
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John Peckham

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Just had an email from the IET to say the regulations banning rings and 13A sockets has been withdrawn until the publication of AMD 1 of the 18TH Edition due to be published on the 1st April next year to give time for the public to comment.

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 01 April 2018 12:39 PM
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Like shooting fish in a barrel John !

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 01 April 2018 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by: John Peckham

Just had an email from the IET to say the regulations banning rings and 13A sockets has been withdrawn until the publication of AMD 1 of the 18TH Edition due to be published on the 1st April next year to give time for the public to comment.


So that will never happen then, just like the new book giving guidance on new Amendment 3 consumer units that I pre-ordered never materialised.

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 01 April 2018 01:05 PM
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alanblaby

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Originally posted by: dustydazzler

I don't know what's funnier the banning of sockets or the fact we all need to part with another £50 on another phone book


£50? No, it's £95.
https://electrical-shop.theiet.org/books/bs-7671/bs-7671-2018.cfm
 01 April 2018 01:14 PM
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kellyselectric

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That had me going for a minute then I remembered oh yes its April the wunth can you imagine if that was real the word chaos comes to mind also little blokes from China selling hundreds of dodgy adaptors all good fun
 01 April 2018 01:20 PM
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Dave69

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Do we also have to use that invisible cable they love so much in Europe.

I did hear plastic hit clips are on the way out again
 01 April 2018 02:25 PM
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dustydazzler

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Originally posted by: Dave69

Do we also have to use that invisible cable they love so much in Europe.



I did hear plastic hit clips are on the way out again


Heck no ...

I still have about 40 odd boxes of tower 2.5mm twin and earth clips in the garage

Will take me at least 10 more years to use that lot up
 01 April 2018 03:23 PM
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aligarjon

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You are a bad man JP. lol


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 01 April 2018 03:52 PM
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alancapon

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Originally posted by: Zoomup
Originally posted by: John Peckham
Just had an email from the IET to say the regulations banning rings and 13A sockets has been withdrawn until the publication of AMD 1 of the 18TH Edition due to be published on the 1st April next year to give time for the public to comment.

So that will never happen then . . .

So, what day is it today everyone? April 1st? John seems to have caught out more than I expected with this one!

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 01 April 2018 07:33 PM
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MrOther

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I spat my tea out in consternation, was readying for a rant, until I saw the double pole MCBs and knew it was whonky. Would love to see the introduction of DP MCBs.
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