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Topic Title: Does an upgrade to main bonding need a certificate
Topic Summary: Customer has asked for one
Created On: 23 December 2013 12:23 PM
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 23 December 2013 12:23 PM
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ady1

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Hi
I have upgraded the bonds and nothing else in a house, I tested it but didn't think i needed a certificate, or register it.
What do you think ?
Main earth was ok.
Ady

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 23 December 2013 12:32 PM
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AJJewsbury

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I'm pretty sure it doesn't need part-P notification, but it might be sensible to produce some kind of BS 7671 certificate. After all if the customer has an unsatisfactory EICR with just the bonding listed as a defect, he may need something on paper to show that the fault has been corrected. The theory being that an unsatisfactory EICR + certs corrections for all listed faults should equal satisfactory (no need to get the EICR repeated to show satisfactory).
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 23 December 2013 04:18 PM
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daveparry1

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I would do a Minor Works Cert. No need to notify under part P, the list only asks, "upgrade or alteration to means of earthing", no mention of bonding.
 23 December 2013 08:32 PM
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ady1

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Thankyou
The situation was that i was asked to check the existing shower was ok to be swapped for a new similar one. It was only when I pointed out the bonds needed upgrading that I got the job... It was a long cable and the R2 was .03 I was then expecting to re-connect the new one, but the plumber did it.
Only now that the jobs done, the customer is asking for a certificate.....typical !
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 23 December 2013 09:56 PM
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geoffsd

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Originally posted by: daveparry1
No need to notify under part P, the list only asks, "upgrade or alteration to means of earthing", no mention of bonding.


All that is notifiable now is -

(a)the installation of a new circuit;
(b)the replacement of a consumer unit; or
(c)any addition or alteration to existing circuits in a special location."
 24 December 2013 04:20 AM
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Originally posted by: ady1

Thankyou

The situation was that i was asked to check the existing shower was ok to be swapped for a new similar one. It was only when I pointed out the bonds needed upgrading that I got the job... It was a long cable and the R2 was .03 I was then expecting to re-connect the new one, but the plumber did it.

Only now that the jobs done, the customer is asking for a certificate.....typical !

Regards

Ady


So why did the bonds require upgrading? Because R2 was 0.03?
 24 December 2013 06:17 AM
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ebee

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All work should be certified.
Even a socket or switch change (but often isn`t).
Bonding too.
Minor works cert.
Easy peasy.


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 24 December 2013 10:55 AM
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ady1

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leckie - i'm referring to the main bond R2 i installed. Previously it was undersized.

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 25 December 2013 05:05 PM
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paulskyrme

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Originally posted by: geoffsd

Originally posted by: daveparry1

No need to notify under part P, the list only asks, "upgrade or alteration to means of earthing", no mention of bonding.




All that is notifiable now is -



(a)the installation of a new circuit;

(b)the replacement of a consumer unit; or

(c)any addition or alteration to existing circuits in a special location."


Incorrect.
There has been no recent changes to Part P notifications.
 25 December 2013 06:52 PM
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John Peckham

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Paul

Part P changed last April. Only new circuits, consumer unit changes and work in the Zones of special locations are now notifiable. However all installation work in dwellings has to comply with Part P which means compliance with BS7671.

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 25 December 2013 07:32 PM
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paulskyrme

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No John,
It has not changed, Part P is the same now as it always has been.
All the same notifications and requirements are still present as they were say 2 years ago.
There has been no reduction to the scope, or the areas covered.
In fact there has been no change what so ever.
 25 December 2013 07:45 PM
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John Peckham

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Paul

A new AD P came in to force on April 6th this year. You can download a copy from the DCLG web site.

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 25 December 2013 07:53 PM
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John Peckham

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Paul

I have just twigged for your part of the world nothing changed. For England it did.

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 25 December 2013 07:53 PM
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paulskyrme

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No John it did not, it "may" have changed in England, but not around here, things are just as they were in Wales.
 25 December 2013 07:54 PM
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paulskyrme

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You posted quicker than me, and you missed the smiley faces attached to my posts!
 25 December 2013 08:07 PM
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John Peckham

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Paul

What surprises me is that you have electricity in the 3rd world!

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 25 December 2013 08:43 PM
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geoffsd

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Apologies if anyone read before editing.

daveparry1 is correct

Edited: 25 December 2013 at 08:52 PM by geoffsd
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