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Topic Title: BS5839
Topic Summary: Call point requirements
Created On: 01 May 2013 09:28 PM
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 01 May 2013 09:28 PM
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Doing a public house, including a fire alarm. Bit concerned about having break glass call points by the exit doors as I can imagine them being hit by people after a couple of halves of Mackeson Cream Stout.

BS5839 refers to the omission of BGCP's to "some Public Houses".

So do I fit them or omit them?
 01 May 2013 10:00 PM
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Fire officer/consultant recommended call points behind bar and by kitchen door on a small bar/bistro I did recently, For the same reasons as you pointed out.

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 01 May 2013 10:06 PM
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That's exactly what I was thinking, thanks.
 01 May 2013 10:33 PM
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What's wrong with the flip up covers?

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 02 May 2013 07:11 AM
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The only specification I received was for it to be L2, no fire officer or consultant involved. Its a freehouse and the owners have just asked for a fire alarm to be fitted. I could fit flip up covers I suppose. I just thought it would be a potential problem.

BS5839 it a bit ambiguous as it says "some" public houses. Any opinions on what this might mean? It might mean a busy city centre pub perhaps, as opposed to a standard "local". This is a quiet pub so perhaps it would be ok to fit them. I'll have to do some undercover work and visit lots of pubs. For research only you understand.
 02 May 2013 12:28 PM
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They should be at the exits generally - even if not fire exits - if you omit them (which is allowable under BS 5839 - 1) then that is a variation to be recorded - and I would get your client to agree that with the enforcing authority.

If you fit them and use flip up covers, they become two stage devices and again you'll need to record that as a variation.

I've used both options subject to a RA from the client and agreement with the enforcing body.

I wouldn't omit them or add flip up covers without either client or enforcing body confirmation in writing (and ideally both)

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 02 May 2013 09:31 PM
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Well I've installed all the provisional wiring so I think I will fit them and if they require omitting at a later stage I will blank off. I haven't got time to wait for fire officers, etc. Many thanks all.
 03 May 2013 06:31 PM
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Fire rated connectors if you do connect thro' and blank off -

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 03 May 2013 10:12 PM
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Of course OMS! Actually had a fire officer out and he said leave them out but put a call point behind the bar and one in a public area but not by the exits. But I will check with whoever dishes out the licence.
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