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 02 April 2013 01:46 PM
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Hi - I have an old client that wants a basic alarm fitted to his house - prefer a wireless one - any ideas? I know B&Q etc do them but what would anyone on here suggest?

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 02 April 2013 05:56 PM
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The Infinite PRIME Wireless Alarm works very well fitted a few now and seem pretty reliable.
 02 April 2013 08:43 PM
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Yes I would second that, however the detector batteries will require changing every two years.
 03 April 2013 11:12 AM
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Hi - thanks for that - I'll look it up.

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 03 April 2013 03:06 PM
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Ive put 2 in in the past. One worked fine, the other gave me no end of trouble. I ended up giving the customer their money back and leaving it in there! Never again, hard wired or nothing now.

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 04 April 2013 11:15 AM
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Mmmmm? Wonder what went wrong with your system? I made some calls yesterday and gave the client a price... hes always looking for getting things done cheap but I wont drop my prices.

Thanks again for the feedback!

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 04 April 2013 11:22 AM
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Wonder what went wrong with your system?

Maybe the same kind of problems we have with WiFi - any kind of large metal surfaces in the structure seem to cause havoc - foil backed plasterboard, RSJs, steel studs,... and then with old buildings, thick masonry walls.
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 04 April 2013 01:27 PM
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Thanks for that - wouldn't have thought about foiled plasterboad. I remember fitting an intercom system, some years ago and I found the problem that messed it up was a metal post. I wonder what sort of property messed up Mosseps... my son fits loads of wireless alarms... no problems so far.

Food for thought! thanks...

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 04 April 2013 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by: AJJewsbury

Maybe the same kind of problems we have with WiFi

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Wi-Fi is unlikely to cause interference as wireless alarm detectors usually operate in another part of the ISM band (433MHz or 868MHz). Wi-Fi operates in the 2.4GHz (2400MHz) band or some newer wireless-N MiMo systems at 5.8GHz (5800MHz). Similarly, DECT cordless phones are unlikely to cause interference as they operate at around 1900MHz.

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 04 April 2013 04:24 PM
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Wi-Fi is unlikely to cause interference

I wasn't trying to suggest that WiFi interferes with wireless alarms, just that large lumps of metal might block both in a similar manner...
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 04 April 2013 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by: AJJewsbury

I wasn't trying to suggest that WiFi interferes with wireless alarms, just that large lumps of metal might block both in a similar manner...

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Ah Ok, sorry misread what you were saying!

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 04 April 2013 04:35 PM
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Ah Ok, sorry misread what you were saying!

No problem! The frequency bands look like useful information anyway.
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 04 April 2013 07:20 PM
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If a wireless installation is being undertaken then a survey should have already been done using the correct equipment to confirm signal strengths at proposed device locations-as per manufacturers recommendations, and diagnostic tools.
Even slight alterations to the building/contents can have adverse effects on the system-especially if signal strengths are borderline during initial installation.
Someone slams in a double door american style fridge freezer between RF portal and a device, as already suggested, plasterboard, even just a wardrobe can cause problems in certain circumstances.
Wireless stuff is getting better, Texecom ricochet wireless equipment for instance, uses each device as a 'repeater' to produce a 'mesh' for better coverage and should negate future problems due to various signal paths being available within the mesh network.
Not cheap, but infinately more reliable than cheap stuff, bearing in mind recall time etc if problems do manifest themselves.
IMHO if wirable is do-able, then do it!.

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 02 June 2013 09:46 AM
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. He must decide first about the type of alarm system he's looking for. There are different kinds of alarm systems out there. It would be too expensive to buy all those types.
 02 June 2013 10:26 AM
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Same as mossep, fitted infinite prime wireless twice a few years ago, both times not straight forward, detectors go into sleep mode once activated but when you don't know that I had hours wasted testing when detectors works one minute then not the next, remote keypads are wired, bell box is wired (although I think they are wireless now) so not a complete wireless system. Fitted a RESPONCE wireless a little while ago, good valve and easy install. I try and fit HONEYWELL wired systems by choice, good value and reliable, again easy installs, phone diallers are reliable and again easy to set up.
 02 June 2013 11:23 AM
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Hi and thanks for that feedback!

regards... Tom

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 02 June 2013 09:52 PM
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What do you call "cheepy" Tom?

I can do you a Grade 3 alarm for under £180.00 in most cases.

Fitting is free - if you do it

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 02 June 2013 10:52 PM
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Unfortunately Martyn unless you are affiliated to SSAIB or NACOSS your grading means jack, the insurance companies see to that.
You have to conform to DD243 and EN50131, your equipment may conform to grade 3, but you don't .
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 03 June 2013 12:03 AM
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Originally posted by: Rulland

Unfortunately Martyn unless you are affiliated to SSAIB or NACOSS your grading means jack, the insurance companies see to that.

You have to conform to DD243 and EN50131, your equipment may conform to grade 3, but you don't .

Soz,


Alarm grading has nothing whatsoever to do with insurance companies, SSAIB or NACOSS, Just like consumer units have nothing to do with NICEIC.

It is an indication of the security level offered by the particular equipment.

Your comment is abit like "unless your NICEIC your not qualified"

I was ssaib in a former life, I'm not now so obviously incompetent

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 03 June 2013 07:53 AM
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The Visonic wireless alarms have given us good results in the past, an annual maintenance contract changing batteries and checking operation can be an additional bonus earner for a mornings easy work.

If looking at wireless, Rulland made a point about devices repeating and creating a mesh. Google Z wave alliance. It's basically exactly that. Just another group of companies coming under the same protocol with their products so to speak, so in theory they can communicate with one another. The most useful part though is that they act as repeaters for the signal and hence improve communication in some instances.

I don't know if there are any alarm systems using the EnOcean protocol, the wireless stuff in that range is even more interesting as the transmitters do not require batteries.

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