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Created On: 10 March 2013 10:51 PM
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 10 March 2013 10:51 PM
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Davesparx

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Fluke tester £600. Old 3kw curtain heater £ bugger all. A badly packed away test kit that falls off the racking and onto removed curtain heater thus smashing the display? £priceless. Please tell me that removal of at least limb is not too extreme. He has been told sooooooo many times.
 10 March 2013 11:39 PM
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I suppose the only way he will learn is if you dock something from his wages - perhaps too harsh a punishment?

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 10 March 2013 11:56 PM
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A local car dealership makes them work Saturdays without pay until the debt is settled.

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 11 March 2013 06:55 AM
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Jaymack

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Originally posted by: Davesparx
He has been told sooooooo many times.

Apprentices (and tradesmen), have to learn and in doing so will make mistakes causing damage, loss of property and breaches of safety. Do you have a recorded discipline procedure with verbal warnings and written warnings etc. A routine agreement at the hiring stage, to deduct a sum from pay in order to build up a kitty with a ceiling, maybe in order. Not only but also - for all employees.

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 11 March 2013 07:36 AM
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Nipple clamps connected to a local skt, Non RCD of course, whilst beating them with a rubber hose normally works for me

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 11 March 2013 07:52 AM
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aligarjon

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i'd just sack him. he sounds like a liability.

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 11 March 2013 08:03 AM
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It's a difficult call. Some lenience is required in order for a trainee to progress without feeling they can't do anything right which in fairness they probably can't, equally you need to instil a sense of responsibility and accountability. Lets face it, we all make mistakes, we all break things, some more than others, when we do it, it comes out of our pocket and we have to get over it. When anyone else does it, they must take responsibility, but remember he probably doesn't earn that in a month. What is he like generally? Is he looking like he can make it? If he has no technical savvy about him, then it might be a good time to start the formal discipline procedure, but if he is a good worker, with a good mind, but a bit clumsy, encourage the positive, and make sure he is accountable for any negatives. Maybe dock £20 a week until the debt is cleared? Reinforce how important the tester is, and make sure when you replace it you teach him how to use it and why.

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 11 March 2013 08:48 AM
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"The sins of the teacher must be borne by the apprentice"


Or some other such twaddle...

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 11 March 2013 09:43 AM
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he pays for repairs, but docking wages bit at a time. Not too much impact on him, you get your kit fixed. it's only a fluke after all.......:-)
oh, and read him the riot act, but AFTER he has made the coffee.....
 11 March 2013 02:59 PM
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skup53

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As my megger is my most expensive kit, its always in my hard case.
Do you have a soft case or nothing?
 11 March 2013 03:24 PM
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bartonp

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When my Dad was an apprentice, he was given a £16 advance to go out & buy all his own tools. Deducted at a couple of bob a week from his wages over 5 years or so (OK - it was a while ago). Any replacements were down to him.

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 11 March 2013 07:25 PM
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OOOhhhh We had an apprentice who would mess around all day ..... when the lamp posts went up, he was wrapped to one in the car park and made to stand / stay there for 4 hours until he apologised for being a tw@t.

Worked for a week and then spent a whole day in the same position with a placard around his neck stating he was a tw@t.

2 Weeks later he joined the navy ...... thank god, but I would make your apprentice pay for it or work an extra day a week as punishment.

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 11 March 2013 07:33 PM
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peteTLM

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written warning and money docked in one go to pay for it.
deducting it a drip at a time isnt going to hurt enough to get his attention.

when i done my apprenticeship, that would have been the sack.

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 11 March 2013 07:36 PM
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John Peckham

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So not engineer's blue around his privates then? Aaagh the good old days when I was a lad!

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 11 March 2013 07:43 PM
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"So not engineer's blue around his privates then? Aaagh the good old days when I was a lad!"

Bet you didn't try white spirit a second time John.........

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 11 March 2013 07:58 PM
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I had a pal with a garage, and every apprentice had their "area" greased with high temp axel grease.
One apprentice did the thinners route to remove ............. the screams could heard in the main street.

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 11 March 2013 09:14 PM
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Will the fluke still function with a damaged display ??

Perhaps a demonstration of insulation testing at a minimum of 500v and preferably 1000v is in order........ That's the insulating properties of skin of course


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 11 March 2013 09:43 PM
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We found a sheet of jabalite, some gaffa tape and a big pond were usefull for making sure a message is understood! I also had a friend who took an apprentice up on a cherry picker, explained the importance of securing the harness to the roof steels, checked it was all secure and safe, and promptly lowered the cherry picker!

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 11 March 2013 09:48 PM
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Is he a bad lad? Does he play the game? Though he's been warned is this first mistake or is he always making them?

It's a hefty mistake but if you think that it's an honest stupid apprentice mistake and if a good lad he'll understand the degree of the error his made and then I think it's the perfect "Alex Fergie" opportunity to use to build him further in his education.

My apprentice made a similar error but he's a good honest boy, good character, tries his best, and though I kept warning him, he made a boo-boo. I made it clear that mistakes happen and as long as they don't relate to safety I'm willing to accept that mistakes will happen, but also made it clear that I wasn't happy because I had warned him and he basically ignorned me. He accepted his mistake and took it on the chin.
 11 March 2013 10:31 PM
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Some of you lot sound a right load of b@stards (some of you are excepted...)

May misery pour on your individual houses and may you have bad apprentices forever.

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