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Topic Title: JPEL/64 BS 7671 Committee members
Topic Summary: Is there a list of members?
Created On: 09 March 2011 12:38 PM
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 09 March 2011 12:38 PM
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timothyboler

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Hi was searching on the net and can't find a list of the technical committee members. Is it a secret or I'm I not looking hard enough.

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 09 March 2011 01:00 PM
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Legh

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There should be a question on this in the 2382-10 exam

Answer = Page 8

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timothyboler

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Is that list the same as the current members or just the ones previous to the 2008 edition?

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 09 March 2011 02:30 PM
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Legh

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Well I suppose if it was then you could add it as a question to the 2382-20

Did you find page 8 ?


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rutspark1

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The list in 2008 was current to that date, the ammenment will be upto date with the current list

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sparkingchip

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An old post, but a topical subject.

Is there a up to date list of committee members as the list of members in the current edition of BS 7671 is dated December 2014, so there may have been changes in the last two and a half years.

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sparkingchip

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The plot thickens, I have turned up a Freedom of information request to the BSI asking for the current constitution of the JPEL/64 committee.

Is the constitution of the committee really such a secret that people are going to such lengths to get a simple question answered?

I have registered for updates on the request to see what the outcome is.

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 01 August 2017 01:31 PM
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gkenyon

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Not sure if there's a need for this FOI ... the information is freely available, here: https://standardsdevelopment.b...om/committees/50001574

See list of member organisations on the right hand side. Member organisations can replace their representatives (as individuals move organisations), and therefore it's not really an "individual membership".

More information about committee membership here: https://www.bsigroup.com/en-GB...me-a-committee-member/


... and actual names are credited in BS 7671 when it's published.

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Legh

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Tim ......You'll find what appears to be the latest version of the JEP/64 committee membership from the DPC page 41-42

Graham....I can't access your links, although I expect one needs to be logged into the BSI web site before access is available.

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gkenyon

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Originally posted by: Legh

Tim ......You'll find what appears to be the latest version of the JEP/64 committee membership from the DPC page 41-42



Graham....I can't access your links, although I expect one needs to be logged into the BSI web site before access is available.



Legh
Sorry ... I tried to hyperlink https with the http link button which of course doesn't work properly.

Edited previous post correcting the links.

... and I've checked, you don't need to be logged in.

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Zs

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Hmmm, I personally know of three people who sit on that committee but who are not on that list unless hidden under the question marks or telling me fibs about their participation on JPEL/64.

If working for, for example, a major switchgear manufacturer gets loosely hidden under the surge protection banner which is a close as I can get to them, or if belonging to a random forum gets you hidden under that banner, and so on, then I'm going to stick my neck out and say that the list is not really very useful.

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iie63674

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Originally posted by: Zs

Hmmm, I personally know of three people who sit on that committee but who are not on that list unless hidden under the question marks or telling me fibs about their participation on JPEL/64.



If working for, for example, a major switchgear manufacturer gets loosely hidden under the surge protection banner which is a close as I can get to them, or if belonging to a random forum gets you hidden under that banner, and so on, then I'm going to stick my neck out and say that the list is not really very useful.



Zs

I can't see any question marks that could be hiding people.
 07 August 2017 10:36 PM
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sparkingchip

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I cannot see anyone to directly represent private homeowners, housing associations, landlords, letting agents and the like with a specific interest in domestic electrical installations, with perhaps the exception of Electrical Safety First a consumer organisation and NAPIT a trade association.

It is fairly safe to assume that all those on the committee have a casual interest in domestic electrical installations, as they all live somewhere that has one, but not all of them may have a direct responsibility for the electrical installation in their own home, so it may be a very casual interest.

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Zs

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Originally posted by: iie63674

[I can't see any question marks that could be hiding people.


The little black circles with the white question mark in them are what I refer to iie.

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 12 August 2017 12:12 PM
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sparkingchip

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Such as:

Individual Capacity ?

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 12 August 2017 04:39 PM
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iie63674

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Which document are you seeing those ?s in Zs?

The list in the DPC is definitely wrong, some of those listed have retired and I think at least one is deceased. However, it is at best a list of those names on the JPEL/64 membership, and not all will have contributed to the work on the new edition. However, I'm wondering why people are so interested, since the list that Graham Kenyon linked gives the member organisations.
 12 August 2017 05:07 PM
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sparkingchip

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Who is representing the interests of domestic electrical installation users and installers?

Some housing associations own so many properties that if they were all in one place they would be comparable to a fair sized town, who is representing their interests?

Are we relying on those who are on the committee having a casual interest in domestic installation, because they have one at home rather than it being their specialist interest?

Andy B.
 12 August 2017 05:14 PM
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sparkingchip

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Originally posted by: sparkingchip

The plot thickens, I have turned up a Freedom of information request to the BSI asking for the current constitution of the JPEL/64 committee.



Is the constitution of the committee really such a secret that people are going to such lengths to get a simple question answered?



I have registered for updates on the request to see what the outcome is.



Andy B.


I am expecting the freedom of information request to be refused as with this one.


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 12 August 2017 06:14 PM
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mapj1

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Hmm, the BSI may not be a publicly funded body, but I'd consider that the provision of British standards that are called up in official legislation to be performing a public function , so they may be on thin ice to claim they are totally excempt from all aspects of the FOI legislation.

However, they would be correct to say they cannot identify individuals for data protection reasons, unless those persons agree to be named, in much the same way that staff records are not made public.

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iie63674

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The constitution of the committee is in the public domain, in the list of member organisations in Graham's link. Who represents those organisations is surely a matter for them?
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