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 27 February 2010 04:03 PM
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SandyBoiler

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Ladies & Gents...

Customer wants electric towel rail installed in bathroom...
Not installed one before...
Was wondering what methods of control of the towel rail I should offer to the customer...
Was thinking of offering:
SFCU, plus the option of
1) Heat/Energy regulator switch, or
2) Timer
or even both...Does that sound fair?
Do you think there'd be an issue with the heat regulator or timer in the bathroom (it is not a wet room)? -- obviously the towel rail and SFCU would be installed outside the zones...

Cheers

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 27 February 2010 04:56 PM
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mikejumper

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Keep it simple.
FCU with neon outside bathroom.
Flex outlet plate adjacent to towel rail in bathroom.
 27 February 2010 05:24 PM
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You will find many a sfcu inside bathrooms of course.. depending on zoning, in new bulds and refurbs across the board...

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 27 February 2010 08:19 PM
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SandyBoiler

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Cheers for replies, customer is happy with SFCU only.

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 28 February 2010 08:39 PM
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robmac72

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Just remember that the zones have changed in the 17th edition now you can even install a socket in a bathroom as long as you are outside the zones. But you need a large room
 28 February 2010 09:48 PM
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AJJewsbury

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you can even install a socket in a bathroom as long as you are outside the zones

To clarify, sockets need to be >3m away from bath, while the zones (now) only go to 0.6m (horizontally).
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 28 February 2010 10:42 PM
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daveparry1

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I think many people get confused between ' zones' and 'the location' Andy?
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 02 November 2013 02:53 PM
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kevincullen900

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Hello All

I have a similar install with a 400W towel heater in a new bathroom.
TN-C-S Supply, old 4 way rewirable fuse board. Additional 4 way unit with RCD for a shower added a one time, now redundant.

The new circuit install in the bathroom will obviously require 30mA RCD protection.

The new shower head (no basin) will be greater than 1.2M from the flex outlet location and the cable access on the rail (rail will carry suitable IP rating), although some of the body of the actual heater will be inside the 1.2M.

As the board is quite old and to replace the hassle of having to rewire fuses I will be installing a new split RCD board.
All circuits RCD protected.

I can then either spur off a socket, or install new dicated circuit.

I see it appears common practice to install a SFCU outside the bathroom, and a basic flex outlet inside.
Is there a reg (that i havent yet located) that forbids placing either a SFCU flex outlet with indicator directly in the bathroom ousite the 1,2M zones?
Or a switched flex outlet with indicator?

Thanks in advance
 03 November 2013 12:06 PM
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DOUGIE1000

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fit a dual box with unswitched spur, and a timeguard immersor http://www.electrical2go.co.uk...fnJyLoCFfHItAodDXoAcw

Job done

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 03 November 2013 07:00 PM
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aligarjon

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Originally posted by: kevincullen900

Hello All



I have a similar install with a 400W towel heater in a new bathroom.

TN-C-S Supply, old 4 way rewirable fuse board. Additional 4 way unit with RCD for a shower added a one time, now redundant.



The new circuit install in the bathroom will obviously require 30mA RCD protection.



The new shower head (no basin) will be greater than 1.2M from the flex outlet location and the cable access on the rail (rail will carry suitable IP rating), although some of the body of the actual heater will be inside the 1.2M.



As the board is quite old and to replace the hassle of having to rewire fuses I will be installing a new split RCD board.

All circuits RCD protected.



I can then either spur off a socket, or install new dicated circuit.



I see it appears common practice to install a SFCU outside the bathroom, and a basic flex outlet inside.

Is there a reg (that i havent yet located) that forbids placing either a SFCU flex outlet with indicator directly in the bathroom ousite the 1,2M zones?

Or a switched flex outlet with indicator?



Thanks in advance


you may not find anything specific but anything you install should be suitable for the location. That's down to your judgement at the end of the day as the bottom line is you are responsible for it. With a large well ventilated bathroom you might be ok. with a smaller room which might be subject to condensation you might not.Especially if its the only form of control.

for what its worth I would not install a spur in a bathroom for a towel rail

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 03 November 2013 09:19 PM
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kevincullen900

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Thanks for the replies.
Having thought about it,I think I will leave the flex outlet in the bathroom basic, cable entry on base only.
Might be careful to seal the edges of the outlet for extra protection, and use an outlet with bottom entry as opposed to a front entry.
 03 November 2013 11:48 PM
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SKElectrical

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Originally posted by: DOUGIE1000

fit a dual box with unswitched spur, and a timeguard immersor


Hey Dougie that's how I do it too.
Out of interest, have you ever installed the dual powered towel rads? When the element is energised does the heated water not move into other parts of the wet heating system?
 04 November 2013 12:43 AM
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DOUGIE1000

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SK

I might be wrong but im I think it just a normal rad with an element. Idea is hot rises so electric element only heats the one rad. In winter when heating on no need for element as boiler heated rad.

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