Originally posted by: amillar
But there is no reason for someone holding EngTech not to be more senior than someone with IEng/CEng in terms of organisational or financial responsibility*. If they try to assert technical authority, however, they may find themselves on shaky ground (if the IEng/Ceng has any sense they'll tell them exactly where to go!)
And maybe there will be occasions when the CEng is on shaky ground. I know a few CEng who no longer directly work in engineering so I do not really see how they have this technical authority. The IET/EC do not require CPD and do not review a persons status to see if they are still practicing so I do not think we can be 100% confident about the status. Maybe in your case you are highly competent and have such authority and in which case I certainly am not going to speak against your competency, but let's not fool ourselves that all those with CEng have more technical authority than all those who do not. I think overall they should do, but I would not guarantee it.
Your directors are your bosses and you are allowed to do your job on their say so and I am sure they did/do more day to day assessment of your competency than the IET ever did. If you mess up they will stop your work regardless of what the IET/EC says about your competency, and whilst the IET/EC will likely do nothing. I tend to think the differences between IEng and CEng are not so great and they should be merged, else IEng should be repositioned. Whilst I accept CEng is a reasonably decent validation of competency, it is but a small part of that assessment and the biggest part is often not seen because no certificate is issued.
Hierarchies can, and in a healthy organisation do, work in multiple directions. I can overrule my manager on technical issues, equally I can be overruled by a member of my staff on (e.g.) safety or compliance issues (and, indeed, purely technical issues if they have more expertise in that area than I do). It works absolutely fine because we work on the principle of mutual respect for each other's competencies.
Good point and it shows it can work. Thank you.
I am amazed in the UK in the 21st century at the sheer level of snobbishness and class obsessiveness that this discussion always brings up - it's like going back to the 1960s (which I do - just - remember).
I know people with little who are snobs and millionaires with businesses who are not. Snobbishness is about the person and not the status. You see snobbishness and class obsessiveness in what people write whereas I see a discussion whereby some people have different wants, experiences and opinions etc. I may disagree with you but I try to keep an open mind and understand your point of view and see where it is coming from, after all your experience and knowledge is real and valid.
I blame the Daily Mail (not necessarily for this particularly, I just blame it for everything). How about accepting that we are all members of the species Homo Sapiens but each with different skills and abilities that we can bring to the mix?
Are the people at the Daily Mail also not equal? Great suggestion you make and I would suggest that if that is the case then also non registered engineers are also equal in which case why bother gaining a professional status? The reason of course is to have a minimum validation of a persons competency. But if that then means the registered engineer has a higher authority than the non resigtered engineer then it allows for the possibility that the different levels of registration can have different levels of authority. Different levels of authority lends itself to a hierarchy and there is nothing wrong with that providing each status is duly respected.
I do not pretend to have all the answers but I think we should discuss everything and take on all points of view and point out the weaknesses and gaps and then set about finding good solutions.
Actually there's a FAR FAR more interesting discussion to be had - and in fact is being had all over the place - about the relevance of management qualifications and certifications to seniority. Still, I've just started applying for CMgr** to be on the safe side...
I am sure if you start a thread people will join in the discussion.
30 July 2013 at
09:46 PM by