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 10 July 2013 07:52 AM
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MosheW

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MCGI - About this level

Accredited qualification that provides recognition of knowledge and skills.
Developed for those at the highest professional levels within their chosen careers.
Is the ideal award for senior managers and is at a comparable level to a British Master's degree.

A level 7 (Membership) candidate would typically:

. have strategic leadership responsibilities
. articulate a vision for the future of the organisation or own area of responsibility
. take responsibility for leading the organisation or own area of responsibility through complex change
. have an in depth understanding of resources and manage them to meet organisational objectives
. establish a culture of mutual support and cohesion which values the contribution of others and recognises success
. promote innovation and generate ideas for improvement
. establishing an environment and culture that assures and promotes compliance with professional standards*
. develop a communication strategy for the organisation or own area of responsibility
. represent the organisation to communicate on matters of importance and sensitivity and establish robust methods for managing information.
. establish a strategy for putting the customer at the centre of the organisation or own area of responsibility
. champion professional development within the organisation
 21 August 2013 03:32 PM
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TomG

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Congratulations.

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 02 January 2014 04:55 AM
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lmorley

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I am kind of curious. How does one apply for EU State diploma with the GCGI Diploma?
 02 January 2014 02:46 PM
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kasese

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You need to be careful with non-approved qualifications - I hold a MSc in a "Chemical Engineering" subject area + a MBA - according to my interview panel they are not classed as futher learning only CPD.
Also I was Head of Department - Engineering - but this did not cover FULL HSE responsibility (as Panel requirement) for the site only engineering areas.
I had held Consultant role but as the panel said "no responsibilty" no one needs to take notice of a consultant?
As I was only doing Continous Improvement on an operating site I was only using others peoples ideas (not strictly true).
How do Educationalists get CEng? Because I have given up.
I was only a few points off CEng around 2007 having carried out all requirements of interview in 1997 (IMechE) - but now more experienced and further away from CEng

Tim Guy
HND(Engineering) MSc (Process Manaufacturing Management) MA(MBA) IEng
 02 January 2014 03:31 PM
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lmorley

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This seem like this panel was giving you a hard time.. I think for Academics maybe lots of applied research in Engineering may help to show real engineering work.

I am sure there are others that can provide mentoring around this topic..
 02 January 2014 04:42 PM
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sunnyboy

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http://www.cache.org.uk/Centre...ualifications-2013.pdf

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 03 January 2014 10:47 PM
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kasese

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So where is the responsibility in research - no needs to take notice!
 21 January 2014 05:09 AM
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lmorley

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I think the MCGI is equivalent to the MEng in terms of the level of competence required to execute on the job. Even when you take all the courses, you are cutting across areas and not deep in any. There is nothing that prevents the MCGI holder from learning a new area in Engineering whether by personal research or taking classes. So while the content is not exactly the same, the level of maturity is probably higher which counts for a lot in the scheme of things.
 23 January 2014 12:16 AM
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mbirdi

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Originally posted by: lmorley
I think the MCGI is equivalent to the MEng in terms of the level of competence required to execute on the job.

In a practical sense, I would agree with you.

There is nothing that prevents the MCGI holder from learning a new area in Engineering whether by personal research or taking classes.

What happens if they have no formal academic background in engineering, and discover a lot of mathematics is involved in understanding the new subject?

One thing I've observed over the years is that matured experienced technical staff, management and even non-technical graduates struggle with understanding higher level maths, because they hadn't developed the aptitude for it whilst at school.

Learning maths is like learning to read music and play an instrument; or learning a new language. It's easier to learn it at a young age then when older.

Unless I'm given evidence to the contrary I would, for the present time, disagree with you above.

So while the content is not exactly the same, the level of maturity is probably higher which counts for a lot in the scheme of things.

I would certainly agree with you there. MCGI is generally awarded to mature individuals with considerable experience. An MEng degree is not related to maturity, but rather demonstrates the holder has an academic aptitude to learning and understanding core engineering subjects; which on the whole contain a lot of maths, in addition to the maths subject(s) included in the syllabus.

Edited: 23 January 2014 at 03:33 PM by mbirdi
 24 January 2014 02:33 PM
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westonpa

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Originally posted by: mbirdi
Learning maths is like learning to read music and play an instrument; or learning a new language. It's easier to learn it at a young age then when older.


However it is often easier to know you want to learn it when older and this can aid learning.

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