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 09 March 2013 01:26 AM
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BilalQureshi

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Hi,

I have following questions. I would be thankful if someone answer or share his/her opinion and experience.

1- Is it possible to change PRA ?
2- If the application for CEng remains unsuccessful, than is it likely to have IEng at least ?
3- How much experience is required for IEng ?

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 09 March 2013 08:14 PM
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Hi

Yes, please let your current PRA know politely and ask the IET for another contact. If you don't meet CEng requirements you will be offered IEng if you meet those. Finally, ask a PRA to discuss your specific experience.

Hope that helps.

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 10 March 2013 03:07 PM
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BilalQureshi

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Dear Andrew,

Do yo have any idea about how much experience is required to achieve CEng.

And how much in case of IEng.

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 10 March 2013 07:28 PM
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Bilal,

There's no fixed answer to that question. For both classes, you need to have had enough time after completing your learning to gain sufficient experience at a responsible level. For some people in some roles, that might be around four to five years, however it very much depends on what work you've been doing in those years. Personally, I registered six years after completing an accredited MEng degree. For some it may be significantly longer. I suggest you discuss your particular aims and experience with a PRA.

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Andrew

Edited: 10 March 2013 at 07:36 PM by apwebb
 19 March 2013 08:58 PM
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BilalQureshi

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Hi,

I want to know that how CEng and IEng are related.

Are they related like BS and MS ?

If yes than IEng would need comparatively less competences than CEng.

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 19 March 2013 09:34 PM
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Hi

Another great question. CEng candidates demonstrate learning equal to or equivalent to an accredited MEng degree and their evidence of technical competencies (A and B) centres around creativity and innovation. IEng candidates demonstrate learning equal to or equivalent to an accredited BEng degree and their evidence of technical competencies centres around evaluation, selection and skilled deployment of appropriate engineering solutions.

There is significant overlap in the other competencies (C, D and E) between IEng and CEng, although I believe CEng candidates are required to demonstrate an overall higher level of competence across all groups.

One is not a more advanced version of the other, although the requirements for CEng are higher. The emphasis on sustained creativity and innovation is the key distinction when it comes to experience and responsibility.

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 21 March 2013 09:21 AM
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BilalQureshi

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Hi,

In simple words, can we say that the experience / competency requirements are almost same for IEng and CEng. The main difference is in terms of qualification requirement which is higher in case of CEng.

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 21 March 2013 09:34 AM
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No, the competence requirements are more stringent for CEng than IEng, and these MUST all be achieved - no ifs, no buts. The "standard" exemplifying qualification for CEng is higher than that for IEng, but there is no hard and fixed rule, and the candidate may be working at a higher level than his formal qualification.

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In simple words, can we say that the experience / competency requirements are almost same for IEng and CEng. The main difference is in terms of qualification requirement which is higher in case of CEng.


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 21 March 2013 10:50 AM
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BilalQureshi

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Thanks David and Andrew for your replies

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 21 March 2013 03:38 PM
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Glad to help. For clarity, the point I was wanting to make is that although the both the competence and learning requirements are definitely higher for CEng, CEng is not an advanced version of IEng. They are defined differently in terms of types of experience and responsibility.

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 22 March 2013 08:44 AM
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BilalQureshi

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Hi,

Another question rises, If one is not the advanced version of other.

Which qualification (CEng or IEng) would be more suitable for a person with academic background and experience in teaching and research.

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 22 March 2013 05:08 PM
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Are you saying IEng competencies are not as rigorous as would be expected of a chartered engineer. Surely the IEng competency standards are applied as stringently as they are for CEng? Or perhaps the incorporated engineer award is merely a failed chartered engineer?

You are focusing too much on CEng registration as the highest benchmark test of an engineer. Let me explain:

In the medical profession, a retired doctor resigns from the medical register and cancels their indemnity insurance. In the eyes of the IET and EC, an engineer who retires can retain their CEng/IEng registration as long as they pay their fees. The majority of them never took out indemnity insurances when they were paid employees working with teams of other engineers and technicians, in companies that took responsibilities for mistakes through their own insurances.

What is the point of being a CEng if they no-longer work for a living and therefore no-longer in touch with the latest working practices of being a modern engineer.

The IET is run by almost entirely by retired engineers telling working (or operational) engineers how they are not good enough to be registered as CEng. These retirees are no-longer capable of getting jobs as engineers, because the standard of technologies and practices have moved on since their time.

The whole thing is a shambles, so don't take this registration thing too seriously. At the end of the day, the best engineers in the UK are the ones who are paid to do engineering, and not the ones (on their pensions) with their non-operational CEng status, telling working engineers how good or not good they are to be on this pointless register.

Edited: 22 March 2013 at 05:17 PM by mbirdi
 22 March 2013 05:42 PM
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Much of the above is not actually correct. There is no hierarchy between CEng and IEng, they are different.

The underpinning qualification for CEng is higher, but the essential difference between the two is the TYPE of work they do. Many IEng are doing more responsible and/or senior jobs than CEng, but working with, exploiting and developing established technology. CEng's work mainly with new and innovative technology.

If your qualification is an MEng, but you experience matches the template for IEng the that is the right register for you.

As Andrew, above, says, the C competences are very similar and the D and E competences identical, but the same level of competence is required for both IEng and CEng. The A and B competences define the difference between CEng and IEng.

David

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 22 March 2013 09:42 PM
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It would be appreciated if people didn't paste together excerpts from two separate posts in a way that makes it appear that I am replying to a question that I am not (22 March 2013 04:21 PM).

Thank you.

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 23 March 2013 09:10 AM
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I certainly didn't mean to give that impression. Both CEng and IEng candidates are measured with equal rigour, however the measure is made against a different category within UK-Spec.

Stringent is the wrong word, sorry.

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