Originally posted by: mbirdi
Many CEngs would be annoyed at new entrants being awarded CEE status as it would undermine their meaningless CEng status.
This cannot be true, otherwise institutions like CIBSE would not continue to award "Chartered Building Services Engineer" (to name but one example).
The issue for IET (and IEE before it) can be seen far more plainly. Most members of the IEE, when IEE stopped awarding "Chartered Electrical Engineer" were not, in fact, "Electrical Engineers", and they were astonished to be able to gain a title that did not really cover their areas of expertise. Since "CEng" was awarded IN ADDITION TO "Chartered Electrical Engineer", it was decided to drop the latter completely, in lieu of the former.
In other words, it simply reflects the direction that the profession formerly known as "Electrical Engineering" has taken in our modern world.
What remains in the UK, unfortunately, is a vacuum for people who do want to be identified as "Electrical Engineers".
Is it so much of a problem, though? I believe other countries manage very well with a single engineering institution, leaving individuals to manage their specialism for themselves?
The assertion that "CEng" was something "different" to "Chartered Electrical Engineer" is a little off-the-wall, as the criteria and process was the same for both (I was awarded both). "CEE . . . states one is an expert on matters to do with electrical engineering" is definitely nonsense.
Further, "CEng represents a professional title, because it states that one is an expert on everything to do with engineering" is also nonsense, and should more correctly read "CEng . . . . demonstrates that an individual has achieved a level of competence in the art and science of engineering, exemplified by achievement of defined competences."
I must close by saying that, whilst mbirdi may believe that the title, style and qualifications of CEng / Chartered Engineer are useless, others disagree most strongly.
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