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Created On: 21 February 2009 05:02 PM
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 21 February 2009 05:02 PM
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watchmaster8

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From previous posts, I am aware that it is apparently not permitted for IET members to use the IET logo on stationery or electronic documents. However, many other well known professional bodies do allow the use of logos by their members and have strict rules and special variations of their logo design for this purpose, which clearly identify categories of membership.
Does anyone know if the IET has any plans to introduce logos which various categories of member can use?
Surely this would add to the profile of the IET, provided strict rules were put in place?
 22 February 2009 01:10 PM
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ernairnp

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If one is registered as a CEng with EC(UK), one can purchase a CEng stamp from EC(UK) which can be liberally used and internationally valued.

For those who are members of IET from 01-01-2002, are not at all permitted to use the Chartered Engineer title. This is because until that date, qualifications to be an MIET/MIEE was identical with those to become a CEng(UK). Now just like IEEE(USA), IET is only a LEARNED SOCIETY OF ENGINEERS. The membership of these institutions does not add any additional benefit for employment etc.Hence no point in using MIET emblem!

So one must be a CEng(UK) or a PEng(USA) etc, to have legal proffessional status. But EC(UK) will accept annual fees through IET only. Hence a membership of IET is also is a must!

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 22 February 2009 02:34 PM
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watchmaster8

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Thanks for the reply ernainp. My point was to raise this as a viable idea to hopefully enhance IET recognition. I am fully aware that only certain people would be able to use the logos. My vision was that there would be separate IET logos for MIET, CEng, IEng and so on. An example would be the IET logo with the type of membership in letters underneath. Each logo bitmap available from the IET website. The logos would only be accessible to those who met the requirements of each level of membership.
I believe there is a benefit from this as it will increase the profile of the IET. A logo is far more recognisable than post nominals on a letterhead - As well as being in the IET/IEE for many years I am also a recent BCS member. BCS already allow logo use and their organisation is growing rapidly. Incidentally, MIET does have value in employment. Good employers will be aware that the IET verify qualifactions and experience before granting MIET - Otherwise MIET would not be worth applying for. An employer need only verify MIET or above, to prove that a person has the qualifications and experience which they claim to have on their CV.
I am able to use Microsoft and BCS logos on my stationery having met their requirements, however there is a gap where there should perhaps be an IET logo. Why?

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Wayne Willis BSc(Eng) MIET MBCS CITP
 22 February 2009 02:58 PM
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tph216

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I would assume that this is because the IET probably don't want to be seen to be endorsing businesses (whether you are self-employed or with a company).

A post-nomial is only ever used and is specifically tied to a single person, whereas logo's are generally assumed to be tied to the organisation (when used on stationary, business cards and email signatures etc).

I do like the idea though, and assume that the only way to make it work would be to, as you said, have a different set of logos that make clear that they apply only to the individual member, and not the organisation.
 23 February 2009 08:50 AM
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kwchen

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You may consider this issue from intellectual property point of view.

IET is the owner of the IET logo. Assuming that there were green light for an individual member to use the logo of IET, the member would need to sign some form of undertaking to ensure that he/she would idemnify the IET against any loss or damages arising from the misuse of such logo.

Edited: 23 February 2009 at 08:54 AM by kwchen
 23 February 2009 09:23 AM
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kwchen

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Members who understand Chinese characters may note different names of the IET in Chinese at the following websites :-

http://big5.cast.org.cn/gate/b...24/n1455525/55404.html [英國工程技術學會]
http://news.hdu.edu.cn/news-hdu-6908.html [英国的工程与技术学会]
http://www.iee.org.hk/iee/eng/...cribe_e-Newsletter.jsp [工程及科技學會]

Should the IET establish its official name in Chinese to avoid confusion?
 23 February 2009 12:02 PM
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I can confirm that the IET does not permit members to use its logo on stationery, websites or electronic documents. There are no plans to change this policy or to introduce other logos for use by members.

The IET encourages members to use their designatory letters and to state that they are members of the Institution. Registered members are encouraged to use the ECUK Professional Stamp.


Originally posted by: watchmaster8

From previous posts, I am aware that it is apparently not permitted for IET members to use the IET logo on stationery or electronic documents. However, many other well known professional bodies do allow the use of logos by their members and have strict rules and special variations of their logo design for this purpose, which clearly identify categories of membership.

Does anyone know if the IET has any plans to introduce logos which various categories of member can use?

Surely this would add to the profile of the IET, provided strict rules were put in place?


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Edited: 14 August 2011 at 02:08 PM by afwilson
 23 February 2009 01:19 PM
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ernairnp

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Another legal doubt.

Any body registered as a CEng(UK) is authorised to use EC(UK) proffessional stamp. Agreed. OK.

But I am of opinion that none is permitted to use any of EC(UK) emblems in their stationary etc, other than by proffessional stamp imprints, which are not stored any where, other than in the stamp. Am I correct?

Another doubt.

IET membership card has magnetic encoding. But CEng(UK) card received by me in 1986 does not have magnetic encoding. How about present day cards?

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 23 February 2009 08:19 PM
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watchmaster8

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Thanks for your reply Andrew.
As you may have gathered, as an engineer I was hoping for something a bit more hi-tech and innovative than a stamp. A bit more 21st Century!

I see now this is not possible.

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Wayne Willis BSc(Eng) MIET MBCS CITP
 23 February 2009 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by: ernairnp

But I am of opinion that none is permitted to use any of EC(UK) emblems in their stationary etc, other than by proffessional stamp imprints, which are not stored any where, other than in the stamp. Am I correct?



From the ECUK website;

"A logo is available to registrants as a means of emphasising their registration with ECUK"

"The logo is intended primarily for use in correspondence and on business cards. It is a condition of its use that it is directly associated with the name of an individual registrant and not with that of an organisation such as a company or partnership"

See link https://ws.engc.org.uk/logoorders/

This is available to CEng, IEng and EngTech Registrants

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Graham Whyte

 24 February 2009 03:48 PM
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ernairnp

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Mr. Graham Whyte,

Thanks for the information. I have down loaded the same.

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 25 February 2009 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by: ernairnp

Another legal doubt.



Any body registered as a CEng(UK) is authorised to use EC(UK) proffessional stamp. Agreed. OK.



But I am of opinion that none is permitted to use any of EC(UK) emblems in their stationary etc, other than by proffessional stamp imprints, which are not stored any where, other than in the stamp. Am I correct?



Another doubt.



IET membership card has magnetic encoding. But CEng(UK) card received by me in 1986 does not have magnetic encoding. How about present day cards?


I may be proved wrong but it was my belief that the EC emblem that you can download can be used against the name of the person as long as they are registered etc but not against the company itself.

i.e.

Telecommunications Company EC(uk) NO

Joe Bloggs CEng EC(uk) YES

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 08 June 2009 05:56 PM
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mclaughlan

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Hi Everyone,

I have been trying to download the ECUK Logo discussed in this thread. Unfortunately the ECUK website link is not available despite trying for the last few days and emailing the reported fault.

Does anyone have a copy of the approved logo for ECUK members use?

Thanks,

Robert McLaughlan BSC MEng CEng MIET
 30 June 2009 12:59 PM
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stevelamb

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Can I use the IET logo on a Facebook group promoting the IET within the UAE?

Steve

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 08 July 2009 09:03 AM
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bsear

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Steve
I need to advise you that you can't use the IET logo on a Facebook group promoting the IET in the UAE. Nothing has changed since the post made by Andrew Wilson on the theme of use of logos on the 23rd Feb.
The organisation is not trying to be awkward it is a matter of legality linked to potential risk. The post by tph216 of the 22nd Feb makes the point exactly about the distinction between an individual, where, for example post nominals are clearly linked to him/her and the use of the logo which implies/could be taken to imply that this is an IET activity. We need to protect our logo as it is our trademark and we cannot make it available for use to individuals or to ad hoc groups of individuals.

I am very happy to see the IET promoted in a positive way and in your case I would suggest that the use of post nominals by members in your group is best.

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 08 July 2009 02:02 PM
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Simon750

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Cannot make it available for use to individuals or to ad hoc groups of individuals

The suggestion for the use of post-nominals for the promotion of a IET group is ridiculous. Sorry, can't put a picture on the site, but I can put in nice pretty pink MIET

The local network in the UAE (don't know if they are allowed to use the logo or not), is pretty much dormant or is that comatose, so there are some members in the UAE looking to raise the profile of the institute. You want to see the institute promoted in a positive way, yet are restrictive on the use of a logo.

Surely if you are concerned of legality linked to potential risk, a disclaimer can be placed on a page stating that the views expressed are not those of the institute, but merely those of some it's members.

I'm a member of the IEEE and can happily download and use the logo in a number of ways as long as I don't alter the logo.

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 11 July 2011 08:32 AM
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I have come across a website displaying the IET logo which I believe the website operator is using to enhance their profile.
What should I do to report this ?

Reference to identity of site and owner removed by moderator.

Edited: 12 July 2011 at 05:51 PM by IET Moderator
 11 July 2011 10:45 AM
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Thanks for this. To report potential mis-use of the IET's name or logo, or the designatory letters associated with membership of the IET, please write to governance@theiet.org

I have passed this one on for investigation.

Please do not mention the names of individuals or companies in this context in a public forum.

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Edited: 12 July 2011 at 06:01 PM by rossall
 20 December 2012 09:41 AM
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ADB

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I appreciate that this is quite an old thread, but (since I assume the position hasn't changed) I feel the IET's stance is quite perverse.

On my personal website, I have (approved use of) logos from the Engineering Council for my I.Eng. and from the BCS for my FBCS and CITP.

I'd like to show a logo of my IET affiliation too. After all, as a Member, is it not my Institution too?

Even commercial organisations such as Cisco and Microsoft have logos for their accredited professionals to use. Yes, there are rules for displaying them, but their display is encouraged.
 20 December 2012 03:33 PM
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The IET's position is unchanged. It encourages members to use their designatory letters and to state that they are members of the Institution. In addition, registered members are encouraged to use the Engineering Council's Professional Stamp or Registrant Logo. The IET does not permit the use of its logo.

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