Of course they can cover up. Common Purpose has existed since 1985 but was covered up by the UK government until only 5 or 6 years ago.

But they had clever science and engineering, insomuch that they, (John Wayne, Frank Sinatra et al), could get to moon. I would hazard a guess that it would be a heck of a lot easier to make a dodgy film in the Nevada desert than it would be getting to the moon; the latter, being real clever science and engineering!

I've just been looking at the moon on Google Earth and was watching some of the you tube video links of when the landed on the moon and erected, (a very flappy), US flag. I couldn't help but notice the amount of sand/dust which they kicked up and which returned to the moon's surface very quickly, as if gravity had assisted. Can someone explain to me ho this is possible? (Sorry, my O level Physics is a bit rusty)

The Moon has gravity, but this is less than the Earth's gravity (1/6th?).
If you produce a dust cloud on the Earth the dust is pulled back down by gravity but the motion is resisted by the atmosphere (dust particles collide with air molecules, Brownian motion and all that). On the Moon there is a lower force of gravity to pull the dust particles back to the surface but there is almost no atmosphere to resist this motion so it is not unreasonable that dust clouds could settle in similar times on the Earth and on the Moon.

Best regards

Roger

The plot thins.....

Jake, I'm still awaiting this hard maths to filter through...........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...Hy55xn4&feature=share

At 0.40 watch the hammer and then the feather. The puppet master got it slightly wrong, methinks! Oh Dear! It will out one day.

Rule 14 of the internet applies here!

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Jake Greenland, CEng MIET.
CCIE #22595

Sorry, I'm just an Enjuneer. Pray, tell us what that is. Even better though would be said, hard maths to study.....

I guess he means this: Urban Dictionary: rule 14

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S P Barker BSc PhD MIET

Watch very closely. He moves his thumb (at the back), while keeping his finger (at the front) steady. He's just twitching the feather between his finger and thumb, so it moves up and down.

No big deal.

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S P Barker BSc PhD MIET

That's the second time I've been called a troll on the forums, so it must be true. Nevertheless this troll would like to know what maths you allude to. So, if you wouldn't mind, let the world see the hard maths please. You made the statement, now qualify it. We're all debating here. We all have opinions here. I'm just trying to think what the hard maths might have been; 3D vectoring, fractal geometry, Bayesian image processing...........or perhaps it was just slide rule maths with a more than a little hope.

Cough up for the troll.

Jake. I'm so very disappointed that you have decided to keep the 'hard maths' to yourself. I feel sure that the engineering community would be better for it, had you decided to publish the 'hard maths'.

Call me cynical, but perhaps said hard maths weren't that hard afterall and the slide rule did come into play; not that I'm criticising the good old slide rule. It does logs n that.

Rule No. 14 of the engineering community at large - don't make claims you can't substantiate.

Rule No. 14A of the engineering community at large - debate, argue criticise and opine, but never ever get personal. You could end up in very deep water.

Purely in the interest of bringing this rather fruitless part of the discussion to an end (ok, I am an optimist) Jake's posting was:



i.e. he is referring to the "first link" in his previous postinghttp://www.wwheaton.com/waw/mad/mad19.html which does itself include references.

And no, I don't intend to follow up the maths and do it myself because a) it's sunny, b) life's too short and c) I know enough people who were involved in the space program to not see any point in following this further. Although it is annoying to see their hard work and excellent engineering being dismissed as a hoax, but I'll let those involved fight their own battles (although again I suspect "life's too short" will come into effect from their part as well).

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Andy Millar CEng MIET MCMI

http://www.linkedin.com/in/millarandy

Andy, the link doesn't give us a good look at those hard maths. Ok it has in at one 9x3=27 astronauts and I admit, I was never any good at the nine times table, but I was hoping to see far more than this.

A Professional Engineer, making claims needs to be able to substantiate them. I'm still waiting for said hard maths to filter through.

As Enjuneers, we can't just walk away from the car crash.

Come on Jake. Let us in on the secret of the hard maths!

I've said this on another thread you chased me over on already so I'll repeat it here.

I am uninterested in what you think, who you are or what you think of me. Basically I don't care and am uninterested in arguing with you any furthur on the matter. If you wish to attempt to continue and elucidate a response then feel free - you won't be getting one.

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Jake Greenland, CEng MIET.
CCIE #22595

Hmmmm. Nuff said, honourable enjuneer.....

Just a final say on the matter. Make sure you know what your words mean and how to use them, before you choose to do so on the forum. .