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 06 July 2014 04:57 PM
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redrocket

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I passed the C+G 2330 L3 back in 2008, i then never really got into full time employment as an electrician due to the recession! But kept my foot in the door helping electricians in my spare time.

I then started my own company up at the start of this year, all going very well, but now need to get Part P registered etc (ieclet/nappit etc)

My understanding is i need to do a 17th edition regs exam? (even though I'm sure my training was based on the 17th edition?)
No problem though, looks easy enough.


Are there any other qualifications i will need along with the 2330? (which looks like it is now extinct?)

Any advice here would be great, as would like to be prepared before approaching nappit etc.

Cheers
 06 July 2014 05:06 PM
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daveparry1

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Not sure but you might need 2391 or it's modern equivalent.
 06 July 2014 05:51 PM
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Cremeegg

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2382 as a minimum and my cat could get 90% in that multiguess exam without trying.

As for the others historically there was a huge difference between what the schemes said you needed on their websites and what they would accept to enrol you as a member. Plenty got enrolled with just the 2381/2382 and the promise that they would get the 2391 within a given time. Such promise may or may not have been followed up.

Since the recent mauling by the Select Committee I hope things have tightened up. Certainly my assessor this year took full details of all my qualifications whereas in previous years they just glanced at the certificates. This year it was certificate numbers, dates, issuing colleges etc etc.

The actual assessment was still a joke - but that's another story!
 06 July 2014 06:02 PM
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phantom9

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It is a pre-requisite to be a DIYer or DIY electrical installer. They benefit most from the legislation because they don't tend to need it. Forum members get a big discount because we know everything that it is possible to know about Part P, and more! It is interesting that you are told you need C&G2391. Interesting because it is expected that you should know how to inspect and test, but as long as you have C&G 2391 or its latest iteration it doesn't matter whether can actually test. You might on the other hand prefer to join the ranks of the electricians who aren't Part P registered but get their mates who are to test it all for them, you know, sit in the van and write one out, that sort of thing. Easy.
 06 July 2014 07:20 PM
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geoffsd

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It may be reasonable to expect Napit to require 2391 because of what the name stands for - but do they?

2391 is not required for part P registration nor is part P registration required to inspect and test.


As part P registration is virtually only required now for replacement CUs and installing electric showers the situation has become even more ludicrous, kitchen fitters having been totally excused.
 06 July 2014 07:29 PM
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phantom9

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Indeed, geoffsd, just trying to inject some off the wall humour.

I am greatly misunderstood.
 06 July 2014 08:18 PM
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daveparry1

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And new circuit's whether in special locations or not and also re-wires.
 06 July 2014 08:36 PM
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redrocket

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Thanks Guys, I would probably be best for me to just call them, and see what they say.
 06 July 2014 09:33 PM
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geoffsd

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Originally posted by: daveparry1
And new circuit's whether in special locations or not

Well, if you can't get round that one, then ...

and also re-wires.

Have you been reading Certsure e-mails?
Not so, according to the actual LAW, is it?
 06 July 2014 09:37 PM
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geoffsd

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Originally posted by: phantom9
Indeed, geoffsd, just trying to inject some off the wall humour.

No, I realised that.
I was just trying to inject some sarcasm.

I am greatly misunderstood.

Me too.
 06 July 2014 10:16 PM
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bowmandj

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Redrocket. I am going through the same process myself. I have been involved in electrical installation in a commercial arena since the late sixties but spent the last 25 years in management and parallel install work (a research facility) where the installation tends to be specialised and different to modern electrical installation.

As a result I do not have industry standard tickets to become a part P QS with NICEIC or NAPIT. But speaking with NICEIC they claim that if I obtain the regs course (2382) and the inspection and testing courses (2394/5) then they are happy to assess me on my work practice skills and experience and if satisfied to credit me grandad rights rather then compel me to go and obtain and NVQ 3.

The assessment requires me to have work for them to assess ranging from major house rewire through CU change/ circuit provision. They will want to see my ability to test and inspect work (even if its my own) as the test and accept into service is the final criteria that determines if a circuit is safe (the origianl raison d'etre for the whole competent personpart P).

So you will need test gear, know how to use it, have it calibrated and also be able to inspect workmanship to ensure both regs are met and guidance note 'advice'.

Race yer.

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 06 July 2014 10:20 PM
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On the special locations theme, if amd3 is putting outside lighting in as a special location then all work whether a new circuit or not will become notifiable in 2015 for England and Wales?¿
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 06 July 2014 11:22 PM
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geoffsd

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I'm not sure what you mean.

Being covered by Part 7 does not make something a 'special location' by the Building Regulations definition for notifiable work.
 07 July 2014 07:06 AM
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Ok that may be true Geoff,perhaps what I was trying to get across in relation to the posts about notifiable work was how pre April 2013 work outside was covered by part P but not thought of as a special location in BS7671 . And yet with amd 3 outside lighting may be included in section 7 but possible not notifiable under part P(next review of part P follows release of Amd 3) and as special locations are in section 7 because of the high risk factore it would seem strange not to be notifiable as well.
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 07 July 2014 07:44 AM
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phantom9

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Ultimately, all work that is notified goes where? Does anybody look at it? Is anybody checking it? LABC have presumably got a data base filled with Part P notifications somewhere.

The concept of Part P was to do what? Ensure safety in domestic electrical installations? Haha. Reality works like this; if you create a legal framework only conscientious people use it. The less scrupulous in society continue regardless. Its quite funny really when you think about it. Its makes the hard working conscientious people have to jump through more hoops to stay on the straight and narrow, yet the unscrupulous continue unabated.
 07 July 2014 09:37 AM
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daveparry1

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jump through more hoops to stay on the straight and narrow, yet the unscrupulous continue unabated

You're spot-on there phantom!
 10 July 2014 09:49 AM
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redrocket

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Little update for anyone interested, i called both nap it and niceic.

Napit: told me i need to do the 17th edition, as well as 2394, and prove 2 years working in the industry.

Niceic: told me my 2330 along with 17th edition is fine, no restrictions on how long in the industry.

So i think i will go with Niceic once I've got the 17th, one other thought is i think most people have heard of the niceic, but most won't have heard of napit or elecsa?
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