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 29 April 2014 07:47 AM
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aligarjon

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Hi guys. just a quicky hopefully. is there a requirement to fit fire rated downlights in a 2 storey extension on the back of a 3 storey property ? It will be in the ground floor kitchen. i prefer to to use non-fire rated with LED'S where possible as the lamps seem to like them better.


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 29 April 2014 10:34 AM
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I would have thought that you would ask a few basic questions regarding likely risk such as:
1/ Is the room above the kitchen likely to be used as a bedroom?
2/ Will smoke and heat detectors be fitted?
3/ Will the open access allowed by a non-fire rated lamp holder propose a risk if a fire were to break out in the kitchen?

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 29 April 2014 10:59 AM
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Also would this new build extension be subject to part e "passage of sound" if it is a bedroom or some form of wc above, I'm thinking more on the air bourne sound issue rather than impact sound ?
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 29 April 2014 01:23 PM
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Honestly, I'd recommend Fire Rated as opposed to non. Just for the extra safety measure. I know it's a long shot but it could potentially save a life/lives.
 29 April 2014 02:30 PM
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It's a few years old now, but this Wiring Matters article - and especially the TRADA test results - might be of interest. http://electrical.theiet.org/w...minaires.cfm?type=pdf

As I read it it, boils down to whether the ceiling concerned is required to have a 30-min or 60-min rating.

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 29 April 2014 03:40 PM
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aligarjon

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Cheers Guys. its a bedroom and kitchen above (small anex type thing with its own entrance as well as through the house). My first thoughts were that fire rated was not required as its no different to a normal 2 storey house in the extension part and the risks are no more here than than there. There will be smoke detectors only, no heat detectors.
i will find out about the ceiling rating Andy, thankyou for that.

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 30 April 2014 07:55 AM
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I tend to use open back fittings with LEDs too Jon. You can get around the fire rating part with hoods if need be. Aico make one which looks like a witches hat that I believe also complies with sound and thermal constraints, otherwise lots of companies make a basic intumescent hood that will continue a ceilings fire rating. The Aico one is the easiest to fit though I think provided you are not too near to joists.

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