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Topic Title: conduit capacities with twin and earth cable
Topic Summary: how is conduit sized when used with twin and earth cable?
Created On: 18 February 2014 05:00 PM
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 18 February 2014 05:00 PM
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Pico

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It is quite common in commercial installations for final circuits to be installed using twin and earth cable installed using basket with drops to accessories contained within conduit. However, during my research I have not been able to find any information relating conduit capacities when used with twin and earth. Any assistance on this subject would be much appreciated.
 18 February 2014 05:50 PM
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colinhaggett

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Probably because your be hard pushed to fit many twin & earth cables down even a straight piece of conduit.
 18 February 2014 06:07 PM
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peteTLM

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Its not a recognised method as such, as normally conduit would mean singles.
Even with only 1 or 2 metres conduit drop to an accessory, id try to keep it to 1 cable 1 conduit especially if it has a hockey stick arrangement bushed into the basket etc.

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 18 February 2014 07:06 PM
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OMS

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You could work on a "not more than 40% full" rule

Work out the internal cross sectional area of the conduit - then for the cable(s) you want to install and if the latter is less than 40% of the former then that would be acceptable.

In practice though (and it truly is an appalling practice) then all the conduit is doing is providing a bit of mechanical protection (and hopefully it is in fact earthed, but I've seen plenty that aren't) so if you can comfortably get the cables in, then that's it - 2 x 2.5mm2 T&E down a 20mm conduit isn't that difficult - provided you are not trying to drag "barley sugars" down the tube.

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 20 February 2014 10:33 PM
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not sure how you would work out the CCC either. As there is no reference material for this method.

It's just bad design on a new job. It should be trunking, conduit and singles on a commercial job.

However they will probably have to get the chippies to install it, as the sparkies didn't cover that on the 5 day course

cable tying to the data cable basket say's it all really.

T&E should be reserved for the domestic arena I think. The PFC can be a lot higher in a commercial install compared to a domestic install and I doubt any consideration will be taken for the reduced size CPC in T&E.

I wonder what method they state on the schedule of test results. C
 21 February 2014 03:39 AM
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MrP

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The NICEIC used to produce a technical manual (they still may do) in amongst its pages of useless information is a format for working out cable capability in round and oval conduit
I think that that using the formula would result in 32mm round conduit being utilised for two 2.5 t&e
So the formula does exist, good luck buddy you need to get your hands on a copy

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 24 February 2014 01:27 PM
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AJJewsbury

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not sure how you would work out the CCC either. As there is no reference material for this method

Not methods 2, 5, 42 etc (ref method A or B) then?
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 26 March 2014 10:06 AM
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Putting conduit in my shed for some power, and yeah I would stick to singles!

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