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Topic Title: Wago and similar connectors
Topic Summary: Do they need an enclosure
Created On: 17 February 2014 07:28 PM
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 17 February 2014 07:28 PM
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ady1

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Evening
If these are in a loft for example, do they need to be inside an enclosure.
There are so many nowadays, the 2 into 1's would be really quick and easy for downlights. Surely they are double insulated ?

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 17 February 2014 07:37 PM
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largelunchbox

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what about the exposed single insulation? enclosure plz
 17 February 2014 07:41 PM
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ady1

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Yeah - good point
I forgot about that

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 17 February 2014 09:04 PM
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antric2

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Choc boxes at 60p a pop or larger round enclosures at 80p a go.
 17 February 2014 09:52 PM
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kirchoffs

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Sod the choc boxes, I've never come across five screws so bloody hard to tighten.

The new BG ones are sparky friendly only one screw.
 17 February 2014 10:00 PM
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These things are very handy. Dead easy to fit.
http://www.toolstation.com/sho...mm/d190/sd3071/p76371

Wago do there own enclosure for there push fit connectors, these
http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Pr...676U1LwCFcUSwwodGDMA_g
 17 February 2014 10:32 PM
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kirchoffs

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leckie. Apart from the colour the tool station ones look a dead ringer for the BG ones. As you said dead easy to use
 17 February 2014 10:33 PM
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antric2

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Originally posted by: kirchoffs

Sod the choc boxes, I've never come across five screws so bloody hard to tighten.



The new BG ones are sparky friendly only one screw.


BG seem to have got their act together and are selling some good value and reliable products.
I will look for their choc boxes cos I do agree with you about the screws being awkward sometimes

I stopped using Wago boxes are expensive and not the most agile of boxes.
 18 February 2014 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by: kirchoffs

Sod the choc boxes, I've never come across five screws so bloody hard to tighten.


They're responsible for a high proportion of my muttering to myself while working.

A slight improvement in the sweary stakes than small round JBs while on a step ladder though.

And as noted elsewhere the Wago ones can be a bit inflexible for certain cable configurations.

I like the look of the BG ones. Thanks.

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 19 February 2014 08:43 PM
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Originally posted by: largelunchbox

what about the exposed single insulation? enclosure plz


Hi, a lot of down lighters have only single insulated cables coming out the terminal box in to the can assembly if fire rated etc , how does the manufacturer get away with this?
 19 February 2014 09:01 PM
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antric2

" I stopped using Wago boxes are expensive and not the most agile of boxes"

Perhaps they have arthritis

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 20 February 2014 07:56 AM
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Originally posted by: CMD

Originally posted by: largelunchbox



what about the exposed single insulation? enclosure plz




Hi, a lot of down lighters have only single insulated cables coming out the terminal box in to the can assembly if fire rated etc , how does the manufacturer get away with this?


I don't think they're single insulated. I had a close look at a selection of downlights wondering the same thing. If you look closely, it appears as though there is insulation, and then a clear sheath.

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 20 February 2014 06:49 PM
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betnwah

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Originally posted by: leckie

Wago do there own enclosure for there push fit connectors, these


Actually they don't. Wagoboxes were not designed by, and are not sold by, Wago. They were and are ditto by a Wago distributor. Presumably there's some kind of licensing deal to allow him to use the name and logo, but they are a 3rd party product.

Connexbox Ltd is the company that manufactures and distributes the Wagobox range of junction boxes.Text

For a long time they implied that they were "Maintenance Free" JBs because they contained MF connectors. Which they did, if that's what you put in them. But it was only fairly recently that they acquired a BS5733 MF mark.

Or did they?

It was promised:

From October 2012 you will be able to purchase the Wagobox with the BS5733 MF mark.

But there are no products on their website which they explicitly say are BS5733MF marked, only the rather vague claim

"BS 5733 MF accessory compliant system when used with Wago 222 and 773 connectors. Use as directed in the BS 5733 MF instructions."

And I've not found a single image of a Wagobox with a BS 5733 MF mark on it.

They say

"The new Wagobox will be supplied with an extended set of installation instructions that will explain how the Wagobox and
the Wago 773 and 222 terminals can be used together to construct a BS5733 Maintenance Free accessory.

The Wagobox junction box system in normal use is a BSEN60670-22 compliant system. In order to meet the
requirements of BS5733 for a Maintenance Free accessory different limitations and instructions need to be
adhered to when installing the Wagobox.
"

And there's the rub. You are required to use the right connectors and fit them into the box in the right way, but once you have the box in your hand there's nothing to stop you not doing it right. Or stop you doing it flagrantly wrong. We may well be dead or gaga before it happens, but I can promise you that one day someone will open up a Wagobox and find conductors twisted and taped inside.


The Ashley boxes seem like a better bet. (No, I do not work for them, and have no interest of any sort in promoting them or doing the opposite to Wagoboxes.)
 20 February 2014 09:10 PM
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Well I didn't mention MF. However very interesting.....
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