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 15 January 2014 03:35 PM
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Alexg

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Good afternoon.

I had a call today to ask if I could 'have a look' at their electrical installation in a new conservatory they are having built as it didn't look right to them.

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 15 January 2014 03:37 PM
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Alexg

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I might add. This is the 'finished' first fix. 'Electrician' not back until plastered.
 15 January 2014 03:50 PM
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I was gonna use this job as my assessment job to join the nic club.
 15 January 2014 04:06 PM
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AJJewsbury

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well as long as the plaster is going to be >50mm thick over the cables .....
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 15 January 2014 04:07 PM
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do you know if they are a member of a club? if so i would be suggesting to the customer that a complaint showing your pic's is in order

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 15 January 2014 04:13 PM
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Alexg

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I asked them to check this, they called the conservatory people and they told him he wasn't registered and didn't need to be as the work was outside the scope of Part P............ I would of suggested to them they got an inspector from the scheme out if he was.
 15 January 2014 04:20 PM
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All right, I give up.
What's wrong with it?
Nice new cables, metal boxes, grommets, waterproof cables and not in the cavity.
It's been designed to have 75mm square battening, then plasterboard and a skim. The floor will have 100mm insulation on the sub floor although the safe zone is a touch wobbly.

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 15 January 2014 04:22 PM
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Alexg

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Norman.. Apart from being as rough as it can get.. Screed and then carpet straight over the concrete floor, no 100mm insulation as you describe, that's below that.. Walls will have dot and dab straight over cables, so approx 25mm from surface..
 15 January 2014 04:22 PM
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Alex

Whilst the work may not be notifiable all electrical installation in dwellings is covered by Approved Document P and to comply with that document the work must comply with BS7671.

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 15 January 2014 04:24 PM
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Alexg

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Originally posted by: John Peckham

Alex



Whilst the work may not be notifiable all electrical installation in dwellings is covered by Approved Document P and to comply with that document the work must comply with BS7671.


John...What would you suggest as a course of action to the Client, without getting too involved yourself?

 15 January 2014 04:24 PM
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the work was outside the scope of Part P

Technically only outside of the scope of works needing to be notified, this work is still within the scope of part P itself.

I would of suggested to them they got an inspector from the scheme out if he was.

Trading standards then? (presuming a complaint to the company doesn't produce a result)

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 15 January 2014 04:27 PM
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Ah ok, so are we saying he still should of been 'Part P registered' even if it was not notifiable work?

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the work was outside the scope of Part P


Technically only outside of the scope of works needing to be notified, this work is still within the scope of part P itself.



I would of suggested to them they got an inspector from the scheme out if he was.


Trading standards then? (presuming a complaint to the company doesn't produce a result)



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 15 January 2014 04:34 PM
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what about a call to building control, i suspect they are involved already with the structure so they will also be signing off the electrics as well, they were a right pain on the last extension i did.

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 15 January 2014 04:36 PM
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No building control for this apparently as it doesn't come under building regs due to size and type of structure.

Originally posted by: hifly

what about a call to building control, i suspect they are involved already with the structure so they will also be signing off the electrics as well, they were a right pain on the last extension i did.


 15 January 2014 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by: Alexg

No building control for this apparently as it doesn't come under building regs due to size and type of structure.



Originally posted by: hifly



what about a call to building control, i suspect they are involved already with the structure so they will also be signing off the electrics as well, they were a right pain on the last extension i did.


looks more than 30 m2 to me, but i could be wrong

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 15 January 2014 04:46 PM
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Ah ok, so are we saying he still should of been 'Part P registered' even if it was not notifiable work?

No, but the requirements of P1 still need to be complied with ("Reasonable provision shall be made in the design and installation of electrical installations in order to protect persons operating, maintaining or altering the installations from fire or injury."). An obvious way to do that is to follow AD-P, which in turn recommends following BS 7671. Not the only way to comply, but he'd have a hard time trying to show that that job provides an equivalent level of safety.

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 15 January 2014 05:02 PM
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The work does not comply with the Building Regulations and the enforcing authority for this is the Local Building Control. Unfortunately the duty to comply is with the householder so building control would require the work to be put right by the owner. The work is defective so the owner should not pay for it and they can report the company to Trading Standards.

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 15 January 2014 05:09 PM
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I think we're all presuming that the installation is in England (rather than Wales or Scotland) - is that the case?
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 15 January 2014 05:18 PM
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It is in England - Southwest
 15 January 2014 05:20 PM
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Did the home owners sign a contract with any mention of electrical installation ? . Quickest way to get it sorted is to tell the conservatory company that the local press will be involved unless a registered electrical contractor is paid to put work right and that the installer of present electrical installation is not allowed back.
Is the 2.5 entering the twin metal box with the yellow tape live?
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