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Topic Title: Plasterers :(
Topic Summary: 10mm sticking out of finished wall for my sockets.
Created On: 06 December 2013 09:37 PM
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 06 December 2013 09:37 PM
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ady1

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A lovely plasterer and a dumb builder thought it was ok to board and skim, leaving 10mm protruding.
In days gone bye an old style 'Ashley' would cover it, more recently a 'Contactum' but nowadays there all so flat.
Presuming you guys understand the problem - can anyone recomend a brand that will cover 10mm ?
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 06 December 2013 11:25 PM
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 06 December 2013 11:30 PM
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delta1

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10mm? On a 25mm box? That only leaves 2.5mm dab.

Can't help with a manufacturer, but have been known to gently grind away the front of a box box back flush with a newly decorated wall without any damage, just to shave a few mil off. May just buy you enough space?

Of course, the correct answer is to ease the boxes out, and knock them back flush. If it's a builder error, let them sort any making good and charge for your time (but when's it ever that simple with builders?).

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 07 December 2013 08:11 AM
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The trick is to check with the builder an/or plasterer before fitting the boxes. I've found if you ask, they will usually be happy with boxes sat straight to block and build the dabs out to match, but if you don't ask they will stick to their ultra tight price and go to the level they had allowed for. One particular builder I no longer work with for other reasons used to like the boxes recessed 10-15mm for this very reason. Once stung, I now always check!

That said, it's easy to talk after the event, and as per the proverb, if the dog hadn't stopped for a carp, he'd have caught the rabbit! Hindsight is a wonderful thing! Most of my boxes get recessed anyway as I tend to use 35mm back boxes. I've been using wilts plus sockets (rebranded GET) on a couple of jobs and they really appreciate the extra space! I'm a firm hager man now, and they are better.

Have you tried Crabtree sockets? They always used to allow a bit of box protrusion.

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 07 December 2013 08:55 AM
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aligarjon

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Yes the crabtree sockets will sit over a bit but not 10mm, maybe 2 or 3mm. you lose the flexibility of the adjustable lug so I hope they are spot on level though.

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 07 December 2013 04:57 PM
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ady1

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Thanks gents - I can get crabtree easily enough.
The builder was doing the boarding and plastering - he knew to finish them flush. Then he subbed it out and they didnt give a damn.

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 07 December 2013 07:26 PM
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paulskyrme

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Just fit the fronts you had costed for & let the stupid builder sort the problem, why should you end up out of pocket for their error.
Else sort it out & bill them.
Simples!
 07 December 2013 11:03 PM
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It's going to boil down to cost:

You carefully cutting out the boxes and making the recesses deeper, and charging the builder/plasterers; or the builder getting the plasterers to replaster 10mm on the walls, at their cost.

I know what the cheaper option would be.

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 08 December 2013 03:01 PM
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Just ease it out and chop it back in again... these things happen and by the time you've posted this item on this forum you could have had it sorted! Do it - and move on, how long will that take - 20 minutes?

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 08 December 2013 06:27 PM
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largelunchbox

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cant see how its the builders/plasters fault, leave 10mm of box sticking out and you cant go wrong. too just fit the boxes and hope the boarding will be thick enough without asking is plain dumb. sorry sparkys fault
 08 December 2013 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by: largelunchbox

cant see how its the builders/plasters fault, leave 10mm of box sticking out and you cant go wrong. too just fit the boxes and hope the boarding will be thick enough without asking is plain dumb. sorry sparkys fault

The OP hasn't said what depth boxes he used.
If they were 25mm boxes, then dabs, 12.5mm plasterboard and skim would bring the surface flush to the front of the boxes and seems to be standard practice in new builds I've seen. A competent builder would be well aware of what needed to be done.
If 35mm socket boxes were used then yes, sparks fault.
 08 December 2013 10:00 PM
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ady1

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Hi Llbox
I use 25mm unless its an FSU then 35 and I chop them in 10mm. All previously agreed with builder, but as I say - he subbed it.
Theres about 6 that are not flush.
When I challenged the plasterer, he tried to fob me off, but then agreed it was just to save him time and adhesive.
Still my fault ??
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 09 December 2013 07:33 AM
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I think you've got a case Ady, particularly if the plasterer has admitted it.

Perhaps on the next job, regardless of standard practice and expecting a plasterer to conform to ones own experience, perhaps a few extra quid on the job and a bit of chopping out wouldn't hurt? Maybe that's why I lose so many jobs. Too expensive because I assume every other trade is going to do things their own way rather than the way I would like!

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 10 December 2013 07:38 PM
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largelunchbox

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ill let you off this time,tbh ive found that 25mm boxes still protrude 2 or 3mm with dot and dab and always chop in regardless,dosnt realy effect me as i normally never use 25mm only on sockets if they are white plastic,even then i dont like it as customers quite often say at the end of the job "can you just fit these nice chrome flat plate sockets i found" doh. its a bit belt and braces but my standard now is 35mm everywhere and 47mm for ufh stat or dimmers, job done
 11 December 2013 06:34 PM
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ady1

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None taken
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