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 21 September 2013 05:20 PM
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Elizabeth86

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Hi

I am booked in for the 2395 inspection and testing in november and everything I have read about the course seems to be conflicting. Is there anyone out there that has taken the course and would be so kind to answer some question for me please.

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 21 September 2013 08:23 PM
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alanblaby

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C&G site:

http://www.cityandguilds.com/C...nspection-and-testing

From that:
"This qualification demonstrates the specialist knowledge and skills you need, such as, appropriate legislation, testing installations and issuing safety certificates. assessment will be through a multiple-choice test, a written assignment and a practical task."
 22 September 2013 11:05 AM
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Elizabeth86

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Thats what I thought but I found this 2395 C&G handbook PDF posted online and it says about an assignment and no practical tests? Confused!
The college Im am taking it through are non the wiser as this is the first time they will be running the course.

Candidates must:
. successfully complete one online multiple choice test
. successfully complete one written test
. successfully complete one assignment
City & Guilds has written the following assessments to use with this qualification:
Unit
Title
Assessment method
Where to obtain assessment materials

301
Principles, practices and legislation for the periodic inspection of electrical installations (Online multiple choice)
City & Guilds e-volve multiple choice test
*(This test is the same test as 2394-301 - learners need only achieve the test once)
Examinations provided on e-volve.

302
Principles, practices and legislation for the periodic inspection of electrical installations (Written test)
City & Guilds written test
It is set and marked by City & Guilds.
The Written test is dated entry.

303
Principles, practices and legislation for the periodic inspection of electrical installations (Assignment)
Assignment
It is set by City & Guilds, delivered and marked by the tutor/assessor, and will be externally verified by City & Guilds to make sure it is properly carried out.
The Assignment is available from the City & Guilds website.
 22 September 2013 11:40 AM
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John Peckham

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Elizabeth

Welcome to the forum.

There are 2 assignments. One is looking at some photos and identify defects and coding them. The other is a periodic inspection and test with an EICR form fill on an assessment test board.

I assume you have already done the 2394?

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John Peckham

http://www.astutetechnicalservices.co.uk/
 22 September 2013 11:42 AM
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alanblaby

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2396 has an assignment, and a written exam, but no practical exams, so maybe a bit of confusion between the 2?
 22 September 2013 08:24 PM
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Elizabeth86

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Hi John

Thanks that makes much more sense now.

I haven't done the 2394. I did my my electrical apprenticeship about 8 years ago then went on to do a ONC then a HNC.

I would of preferred to do the 2394 first but my employer put me on the 2395.

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 24 September 2013 08:26 AM
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I would of preferred to do the 2394 first but my employer put me on the 2395.


I have passed both the 2394 and 2395. First time

Like your self I did the 2395 first.

The main issue for me with the course providers I had is that they dont cover the inspections in any depth.

My advice for the 2395 memorise the condition report inspection schedule. At least 30% of the questions I had were about inspections.

Practice writting how to carry out the tests.eg "continuity of ring final circuit conductors".

IP codes for rooms containing a both or shower.

The practical was easy, look at some pictures and code them.

There might be a couple of faults for you to find when your testing the test board.

read the GN3 until you know it inside out.

And no presure but only 4 of the 18 on my 2395 course passed the written exam.
 24 September 2013 10:37 AM
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marclambert

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Hi, it's purely a matter of wording. Typical City & Guilds they refer to all their practicals in all their quals as assignments. Just to make life easy
You did well zeeper, that's not a great result for the centre but you can't make the proverbial silk purse out of the sows ear can you?
The 2394 group I taught in June got 13/15 passess and the 2395 11/13. Was that because they were great students or because they were well taught? Time will tell as you're only as good as your last set of exam results
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 24 September 2013 03:44 PM
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The 2394 group I taught in June got 13/15 passess and the 2395 11/13. Was that because they were great students or because they were well taught?


Well done Marc, you done a good job.

I took my courses with two different providers. I wouldnt recommend either.
I found the course material lacking badly. The only reason I passed is because I made an extra effort in the evenings making my own revision sheets.
 24 September 2013 09:40 PM
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Elizabeth86

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Thansk for the info Zeeper and Marc, its going to help so much with my revision.

Well done on passing first time
 25 September 2013 05:04 PM
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Good idea too, is to download the Examiner's Comments from the C&G web site. The candidate's responses are critiqued for each diet of exams and you'll see a number of recurring themes - use of correct terminology probably being the most frequent.

Knowing GN3 inside out (as well as the On Site Guide) will improve your chances considerably. Good luck!
 26 September 2013 10:42 AM
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The really sad thing is that the Chief Examiners Reports have hardly changed. Same old, "read the question", "terminology" "answer the question". Makes you wonder if anyone actually reads them. Since we successfully campaigned a couple of years ago for more specific feedback the Reports have become way more useful. I use them as part of my course material, but am amazed when virtually none of my students have heard of or bothered to read.
Then again people still turn up on day one with their GN3s still in the wrappers.
Aaaarggh
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 26 September 2013 11:54 AM
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Same old, "read the question", "terminology" "answer the question".


In fairness to the student and I sure your agree having done the 2395 course. The questions are not written by a level 3 student and so sometimes trying to understand what answer do they want because the grammer is form the 1950's.

I remember on the 2394 exam I had a question that I have to guess at which anwser they wanted from me. Not because I did know the answer I just couldnt make sense of the question

A question I had in the 2395 exam which really p88s me off was.

" when can the continuity of ring final circuits test be omitted."

I could think of 3 reason why you should test the ring continuity on circuits easy , but when can you omit the test. really put me off and I thought the question was a bit under handed.

JP Identified the correct answer, but greater minds did not. let alone a level 3 student.
 26 September 2013 12:50 PM
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Yes zeeper they are written in language designed to confuse it seems. We are supposed to be testing the candidate's knowledge of testing, not their ability to interpret ancient garbled "English".
One paper writer was dropped because his command of the English language was so poor hardly anyone could make out the expected answers. (legal note, ALLEGEDLY).
The question you refer to was designed to make you look at the scenario as part B is scenario specific. So factors such as the existence of records, no alterations and if agreed, spring to mind. Not that I've seen the paper of course just guessing.
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 27 September 2013 07:25 AM
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The question you refer to was designed to make you look at the scenario as part B is scenario specific. So factors such as the existence of records, no alterations and if agreed


Yes spot on , GN3 page 75 table 3.4

My feeling is that the 2394 and 2395 are testing you on your knowledge of the book GN3 rather electrical inspection and testing in general.

Not sure if that makes sense , but does to me. .
 27 September 2013 03:09 PM
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Funny that zeepeer being "spot on"

Your feeling is probably right but consider this: If the questions did not relate to GN3 then all sorts of answers could be put forward. Put ten sparkies on site and each would test in their own way and with their own good reasons.
Trying to mark that would be a nightmare...so the only way is the GN3 way at least as far as the exam is concerned.
I'm not sure I've ever met anyone who follows it to the letter. Don't you do PFC and PSCC whilst cover is off and after reconnecting earth after Ze. That's not the order in the book though is it? In fact on page 52/53 ZS comes before Ze which to most people is clearly wrong. I would answer Ze, PFC, PSCC then Zs if asked for order of live tests.
Cans of worm indeed but I'm glad it makes sense to you
 27 September 2013 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by: marclambert

I would answer Ze, PFC, PSCC then Zs if asked for order of live tests.

Cans of worm indeed but I'm glad it makes sense to you


No live polarity test then??
 27 September 2013 09:37 PM
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I would answer Ze, PFC, PSCC then Zs if asked for order of live tests.


In the real world I guess it would depend on whether I was carrying out an initial verification or periodic.

Also what the circuit type and composition are, can also have an affect on the choice of which methods of testing are use for measurement of Zs.
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