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Created On: 01 September 2013 05:43 PM
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 01 September 2013 05:43 PM
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Rum1

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Hi all

Presently self employed. NICEIC approved electrician (mainly domestic) - 13 years trading. Workload has been poor for some time due to economic climate and competing against £80 a day sparkies. I'm in the midlands.

Now an associate i met through a wholesaler has offered me a job!! He and his partner have an expanding firm with some large contracts in the bag, previously a bit rough but are trying to become high quality and fully NICEIC approved to win more contracts (Already have NICEIC domestic status)

Anyway they want a Qualified Supervisor as they don't have one again mainly for Domestic work. They've not advertised the job yet and offered it me first. They know i'm fully approved, experienced, qualified & have high standards & good organisation skills etc. They have about 10 employees of various skill levels and do the QS work themselves at present. But as directors want to create a new position to free up their time.

Just wondered what sort of package i could or should expect? I've been out of employment a fair old while now and need to seriously consider the offer as work has no sign of improving. Previous customers keep coming back to me but even with plenty of adverts not enough new work.

Is the position usually salaried or hourly rate? How much is the going rate?
I imagine i'd get some holiday pay? how much? But what about sick pay? Overtime rates? Contract of employment? Pension contributions?
Van & protective clothing, equipment are provided.

Any other things i should be aware of or entitled to as an employee these days?

All feedback appreciated in advance of me chatting further with them.

Thanks in advance
 01 September 2013 05:57 PM
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Fm

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They need to confirm if your on the tools or off the tools
Do you get any transport a van or a car or mileage for your own vehicle?
Confirm hours per week or month
Weekly pay or monthly salary
Whats a jib approved spark taking home as an employee, and start from there
No of holidays?
Description of work
Title
Probabtionary period?

Good luck
 01 September 2013 06:03 PM
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Fm

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Bonus
6 monthly/ yearly reveiew of package.
As above but appraisals
Phone/ smart phone/ laptop?
Full time office position ie victorian bums on seats 8 hrs a day or remote working when possible
Expenses?
 01 September 2013 06:05 PM
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Rum1

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Thanks for reply

From the brief ish conversation i have had:

I will be full time OFF the tools
Get a fully expensed van
Prob 40 hours a week
They are not a JIB company
I'll be the only QS - physically inspecting all jobs (100%) at various stages for quality, customer spec & to regs. In charge of test gear too. It wasn't mentioned but it must involve counter signing certificates etc.

Any thoughts on a fair package?
 01 September 2013 06:07 PM
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Rum1

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Thanks again...i'm going to write these down as forgot about some of those things
 01 September 2013 06:12 PM
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circle143

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I agree with the previous posts as it is essential that everything is made clear from the start. Furthermore, to strengthen your bargaining position you must be clear and confident about what you can bring to the company and how you can help raise its profile. If you can convince them that you will increase their profits then they may decide to pay you a little bit more - I'm speaking from experience here.


Best of luck
 01 September 2013 06:39 PM
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Fm

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Dont have to be a jib company to pay their rates, i mentioned it as a starting point
Look at the approved sparks rate and you should be on more than that.
 01 September 2013 06:44 PM
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Rum1

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Thanks FM

JIB presently £13.79ph hour with van outside london

From Jan £14.07ph

So maybe at least £15.00ph
 01 September 2013 07:04 PM
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Fm

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So thats over 30k. Happy with that?
Job security
Regular paid holidays
No chasing invoices
Sounds ok
 01 September 2013 07:45 PM
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FWIW FM, IF I were looking to go emplyed now I would be looking @ £35-£40k pa plus OT, etc. etc.
 01 September 2013 08:31 PM
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Fm

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Paul,

I wasnt gettng into what i am paid, or you or anyone
He said £15 per hour for a 40 hour week so over £30k
Its relative to what he was earning as self employed ,mhis location in the uk etc eyc and only he could know if he will be happy on £30k
 01 September 2013 08:50 PM
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paulskyrme

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Sorry FM, I thought you were the OP!
I make nowhere near that, but, if I were to go employed then I would be looking for more than I was on 8 years ago the last time I was employed, hence the values I posted!
Big mistake on my part mixing up posts, sorry!!!
 01 September 2013 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by: paulskyrme

FWIW FM, IF I were looking to go emplyed now I would be looking @ £35-£40k pa plus OT, etc. etc.


Unless you know someone willing to pay over the odds, you wont find any company paying what you're looking for.
Take a look at advertised jobs and see how many are paying £10.00 an hour for a 17th ED sparks with 2391.
Thats why i got out.

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 01 September 2013 08:55 PM
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Fm

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No worries
 01 September 2013 09:07 PM
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Dave, dh66, I have a customer who would love to get me on his books for that tomorrow, it would save him money, long term, but, he would have to take on some of my short term liabilities to make this happen. Plus I don't want to be tied to working for someone else & sticking to the regimented hours.
As I say I was on this 8 years ago why take less now to be employed?
I may not make the top line, but, at least I am, "my own boss", even if I don't get the top line, and have to put in the stupid hours, my future is my own.
 01 September 2013 09:40 PM
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Fm

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Id rather not do the stupid hours to be honest, im contracted for a 40 hr week, sometimes less sometimes more, swings and roundabouts.
It suits me and my family.
I do a bit of work when the kids are in bed and take the time off during the week.
Thats me,but it works for me and my family
 01 September 2013 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by: paulskyrme

Dave, dh66, I have a customer who would love to get me on his books for that tomorrow, it would save him money, long term, but, he would have to take on some of my short term liabilities to make this happen. Plus I don't want to be tied to working for someone else & sticking to the regimented hours.

As I say I was on this 8 years ago why take less now to be employed?

I may not make the top line, but, at least I am, "my own boss", even if I don't get the top line, and have to put in the stupid hours, my future is my own.


As i said, unless you know someone willing to pay over the odds..
I took a position in 1995 paying just over a tenner an hour, the rates in the real world are very low at the moment

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 02 September 2013 11:57 AM
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Heres one that can catch people out.

How much of your travel time is in your time.

I used to except the first and last 1/2 hour of each day to be in my time.

However some firms think the clock dont start until you reach the first job. If its a 1 1/2 hour drive its taking the p!!s

30k is in the ball park + OT + Pension contributions.

Who wants a van if your off the tools get a car.
 02 September 2013 12:06 PM
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AJJewsbury

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previously a bit rough

it must involve counter signing certificates etc

Maybe I'm mis-reading the situation here, but I'd have a worry about getting into a situation where they're going to continue to do "rough" work but want to make it all appear proper to the customers by using your certificates/qualifications to paper over the cracks.
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 02 September 2013 12:22 PM
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chris1982

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Originally posted by: zeeper


However some firms think the clock dont start until you reach the first job. If its a 1 1/2 hour drive its taking the p!!s



something similar in my last place if I was claiming overtime I got 2hours travel deducted, because that was what the round trip to the office would be if I was going there on a "normal day" as I wouldn't normally get paid that, I could see it from both sides, but was a tad annoying

but OT is better than no OT
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