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Topic Title: Name on certs ?
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Created On: 11 July 2013 10:43 PM
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 11 July 2013 10:43 PM
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Ampman

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Been asked to carry out EICR s on rented properties .

But with details of contractor is to be the property company so it looks like they not using a subbie ,

Surely this is wrong ,

Wont be using my certs . Could it be done on other certs ?

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 11 July 2013 11:13 PM
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leckie

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Put there names on the cert as the contractor, get the boss to put there name on and sign it. Up to them then. Or put you name on, charge accordingly for the extra risk/ PI Insurance. They can say you are a "specialist contractor".
 11 July 2013 11:49 PM
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peteTLM

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I have no problem putting my name to EICR's ive done on behalf of other companies, even under their banner as long as they are AC as well (titled as assistant Qs or inspector). Would i do it for a property company with no electrical bias or knowledge? No.
To do so IMHO would imply that im responsible for and duty holder for their electrical works, which 50% of property companies i would run a mile from.

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 12 July 2013 05:21 AM
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Gentlemen this is not good enough!
If you are sufficiently experienced to carry out an EICR, what is the problem? If not then you shouldn't do it at all, rented property or not!
You cannot put someone else's name on the report under any circumstances, you do the work, take responsibility and take the money. That is how it works.....
If you have so little confidence in your own ability and understanding of the regs, why should anyone else think you are anything other than a cowboy?
If you need a proper job call John Peckham, Zs or me, no problem!!!! My name and signature, no funny business.

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 12 July 2013 07:09 AM
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kj scott

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Originally posted by: Ampman

Been asked to carry out EICR s on rented properties .

But with details of contractor is to be the property company so it looks like they not using a subbie ,

Surely this is wrong ,

Wont be using my certs . Could it be done on other certs ?

Cheers


I can't see a problem if you are working on their behalf, but it would have to be their EICR, you couldn't use a branded format.

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 12 July 2013 08:41 AM
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Zs

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Originally posted by: davezawadi

If you need a proper job call John Peckham, Zs or me, no problem!!!! My name and signature, no funny business.


Thank you Dave. Nice surprise.

Ampman, are they asking you for certs which say Ampman of property company Ltd? Suggesting you are on the cards with them?


I would put the property company as the client....they are your client. So they can go at the top of the form. I tend to write the name of the ordering company not the end client in there first and add 'for XYZ of London' so that the end user details are included at the top. Really just for ease when they are looking at sets of certs.

At the bottom where you give your details 'Inspected and tested by' you can put yourself and then the property company in the 'for and on behalf of' box. I think your work becomes their liability so maybe ask a few questions about that. In my case, my own company name goes in there.

There is also an option to add something in the reasons section (B).

Many of my reports are on behalf of another company and we have discussed liability. The liability is mine but the documents would lead a client ordering another report back to my client. That protects them from their subbies being contacted direct, although it does happen. Reports are on my letterhead but clear about the for and on behalf.

They've used their connection with me as a marketing tool along the lines of having access to a dedicated specialist. I'd suggest that is not a bad route to take. Works for everyone.

If you would like to pm me your email address I will send you a copy of the first pages of one of my reports where the who is working for whom is explained. Covering letters are useful.

You seem to think that what your are being asked to do is shady. follow your instinct on that. Stay proud and do your client proud.

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 12 July 2013 09:36 AM
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John Peckham

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Dave

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

I often work for other contractors carrying out EICs and EICRs for them. The certs./reports are often done on their paperwork with their QS counter signing with me as the Inspector. I have their company details and their QS details in my Easycert. The NICEIC logo goes on the sheets ONLY if they are NICEIC. What I am not allowed to do, or would do, is apply the logo if they were not NICEIC.

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 12 July 2013 10:51 AM
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Personally I believe that to be an NIC or similar approved contractor the company should have suitable qualified staff not just the QS.

When I'm asked to carry out EICR's on larger installations that we haven't capacity to do in-house, I have used several specialist including one of the forum favourites with good results. I would never ask them to complete the forms as if they worked for my employer. I can't see how that would work, their being employed as a subcontractor they have to supply their insurance details, health and safety policy, ECS cards and RAMS, why would we want the additional risk? I can see how it might make an enterprise appear more professional or capable, but I believe if your honest with your client there's no need to tell porkies.

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