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Topic Title: Portable appliance Testing, who is the Duty holder???
Topic Summary: PAT changes, who is responsible when it all goes wrong.
Created On: 09 July 2013 04:51 PM
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 09 July 2013 04:51 PM
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Evening all,
I would just like peoples opinions on the new COPS, what information is needed to be recorded to cover under HSE guidelines and who is responsible under EAW and HSAW, could do with some definitive answers, at the moment, all i'm getting is Faff!!
Thanks in advance,
Dave
 09 July 2013 05:00 PM
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perspicacious

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" who is the Duty holder???"

p19, item 1.1.2 in the CoP

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 09 July 2013 05:45 PM
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yes, but where does the buck stop in a court case? the company director?.
If the management decide that they can't pay for the equipment to be properly tested, and that a quick point and shoot PAT is done, without hardly any details about the kit recorded, who gets it in court when the kit catches fire or injures someone?
Sh*t tends to cascade down...:-(
 09 July 2013 06:07 PM
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The duty holder is ultimately responsible.

Now its pretty obvious if that overall duty of care has been taken from you and placed on the manager of a company then its up to that manager to decide what is inspected and tested and how its recorded. You are then responsible to that person under their health and safety at work policy.

That does mean as a sub contractor you must uphold their party line and provide the necessary information agreed in the contract of employment.

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 09 July 2013 07:50 PM
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Its quite tricky finding a duty holder sometimes, I tested a church hall recently which is run by a team of volunteers with no nominated "boss", When I asked the guy who let me in who was in charge he pointed skyward
 09 July 2013 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by: Pacific

Its quite tricky finding a duty holder sometimes, I tested a church hall recently which is run by a team of volunteers with no nominated "boss", When I asked the guy who let me in who was in charge he pointed skyward


I should imagine that his Health and Safety policy is pretty inclusive and what appears, that is, in history, pretty flexible.
I wonder whether he's available for special appearances as an expert witness ?

I would also imagine he would say, "don't be such a Banana ... and sort it out for yourself !"

Lol

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