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 10 May 2013 05:21 PM
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Thripster

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http://www.hse.gov.uk/consult/condocs/cd242.htm

Have any of you come across this?


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 10 May 2013 05:33 PM
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Yes - but the consultation is now closed and it's difficult to see how even one man band jobbing electricians would be exempt as they clearly present a risk due to thier activities - which is usually construction related

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 10 May 2013 07:06 PM
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Paragraph 5 page six

""The Government will ask HSE to take urgent action to draw up proposals for changing the law to remove health and safety burdens from the self-employed in low-risk occupations, whose activities represent no risk to other people.... and will free around one million people from red tape without impacting on health and safety outcomes...it is clear that the fear of inspection and possible prosecution for minor transgressions of the law is a cause of unnecessary concern for the self-employed and - where the individual is carrying [out] low risk activity such as office-type work - delivers no real benefit to the wider population. Where the activities of self-employed people could pose a risk to themselves or others, for example in the building trades, the law will continue to apply5."

No exemption for us then.

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 10 May 2013 07:11 PM
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Of course not Andy - it's electricians who go round telling everyone within earshot how dangerous electricity is and we shouldn't let the public and the five day wonders near it - you can't have it both ways.

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 10 May 2013 07:38 PM
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I liked the yearly courses we used to have on how to sit in and adjust the office chair along with appropriate VDU angle adjustment. I sat there and thought to myself how I'd changed a combine diesel engine, built a boat and completed the round the Island race - amongst many other things, and here I am in front of this poor unfortunate nineteen year old who is having to extrude this peristaltic waste matter.
 10 May 2013 07:52 PM
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Well, DSE assessments are there for your benefit - I've known a few people over the years who have wrecked thier eysight from spending long hours crouched on CAD terminals in poor lighting

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 10 May 2013 08:04 PM
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That's as maybe but I think we have lost our mettle - and mettle loss leads to fatigue and fracture.

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 11 May 2013 06:29 AM
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Originally posted by: OMS
Well, DSE assessments are there for your benefit - I've known a few people over the years who have wrecked thier eysight from spending long hours crouched on CAD terminals in poor lighting

And praytell, how was that proven? There are many reasons for failing eyesight, including the activities of the male offspring of Mr. Bates, but it has been said that some got the hairy hands, or both!

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 11 May 2013 08:03 AM
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Ohh dear,
once upon a time ago there was no H & S and that was very wrong.
Then we got some H & S which was about right.
Then we went over the top which is, in its own way, very wrong.

Actually a lot of it is now being dispelled by the HSE themselves as being OTT interpretations by some individuals and organisations and the HSE do indeed have their own panel you can refer them to.

I particularly remember, early seventies, abrasive wheel regulations .
Short informal course, speech & discussion afterwards sort of Q & A.

The main point was a rotating grinding wheel could only be made safe by completely enclosing it in a protective casing, but that would make it unusable, so you take out a minimum portion of that casing to make it use-able and whilst not completely "safe" but "relatively safe".

Now that seemed a sensible approach to me.

Live life, be aware of the dangers, reduce them to a reasonable level but still live that life and accept some risks.

Don`t fly a kite in a thunderstorm but aren`t we glad that bloke did!

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 11 May 2013 10:32 AM
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I`m not sure what I might be if I ever grow up Tomm

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 11 May 2013 10:45 AM
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sorry!

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 12 May 2013 09:31 AM
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Originally posted by: Jaymack

Originally posted by: OMS

Well, DSE assessments are there for your benefit - I've known a few people over the years who have wrecked thier eysight from spending long hours crouched on CAD terminals in poor lighting


And praytell, how was that proven? There are many reasons for failing eyesight, including the activities of the male offspring of Mr. Bates, but it has been said that some got the hairy hands, or both!

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By a consulatant opthalmologist actually - the cases in point were of the female persuasion - started as tracers and became Cad draughties

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