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Topic Title: Baroness Tonge and Baroness Smith "Motion to regret" the changes to part P introduced in the House of Lords.
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 27 April 2013 01:28 PM
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It is good to see that there are at least two sensible people at Westminster.

Have a look atHansard

3.24 pm

Moved by Baroness Tonge

That this House regrets Her Majesty's Government's decision to lay the Building Regulations &c. (Amendment) Regulations 2012 (SI 2012/3119) before

18 Mar 2013 : Column 426

Parliament, and in particular their decision to change the provisions on electrical safety in the home, which will be detrimental to public safety.

I must say that in choosing Baroness Tonge as their patron the Electrical safety Council have chosen someone who is not afraid to speak out http://www.guardian.co.uk/poli...acked-israel-comments

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 27 April 2013 01:54 PM
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T'was posted previously by JCM256 on 1st april

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 27 April 2013 02:00 PM
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Hmmm ... link removed


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The missing link

Well that was easily missed wasn't and definitely not a full and frank discussion on the House of Lords proceedings.

Andy

The actual post by JCM256:

"This saga of wither an electrician is competent to wire a socket in the kitchen has
been debated in the House of Lords. Woman this time voted to retain part P.

The House regrets.
Motion withdrawn.
Sitting suspended. "
 27 April 2013 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by: sparkingchip


Well that was easily missed wasn't and definitely not a full and frank discussion on the House of Lords proceedings.


Not really much to discuss. All due respect to the lady who lost her daughter to an electric shock - it's no surprise that she's going to be disappointed in the perceived reduction in standards - but in reality, we all know that the increase in standards supposed to have been acheived by part p was pretty much only a percieved one.
 27 April 2013 03:38 PM
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Quote from Hansard:

"Currently, home owners can face building control fees of upwards of £240 for simple electrical work, such as putting an additional plug socket in a kitchen, approved by a local authority. In practice, such fees also prove a strong disincentive to those carrying out these small jobs - including home owners, who often do it themselves - to inform the local authority that the work is being carried out in the first place. Even for the majority of work that is carried out by electrical installers who are registered to certify their own work, notification imposes additional bureaucracy, as they have to tell the local authorities about the work they have been doing. This leads to consumers, who themselves are not competent in electrical work, relying on somebody else who may not follow the notification rules. Therefore, the scope of notifiable work has been changed, but otherwise this is a reduction in the amount of red tape."

Perhaps that reads better as people don't bother with part P so we'll remove the need to bother.

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 27 April 2013 09:14 PM
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At least we are on a promise from Baroness Hanham:

"The previous regime of notification tended to penalise the competent, conscientious installer with additional paperwork, while the unscrupulous installer could ignore these procedures with impunity. The changes that have been made reflect a more pragmatic approach. However, while the notification requirements are being reduced, the department will work with the registration scheme providers and trade bodies to raise general awareness of the safety issues and legal requirements, and how to meet them. Promotion of the competent person schemes, to which I do not think either noble Baroness referred, is now a requirement imposed on scheme providers by my department. My officials are working with the forum of competent person scheme operators, including the Electrical Safety Council, to see how the marketing message can be improved and co-ordinated. We will monitor the impact of the changes to Part P to make sure that we are better informed about how this work is going."

It might need someone to define co-ordinated promotion though
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