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Topic Title: E7 Tails Tails Taped in a Domestic Tariff CU
Topic Summary: Code for EICR?
Created On: 01 April 2013 10:16 AM
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 01 April 2013 10:16 AM
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Hi Guy's,
Just a quicky! Doing an EICR last week, found still connected Meter Tails in a CU last week. Obviously two fuse boxes at one time, Storage Heaters done away with, a new CU installed, and whoever did the job just left the E7 Tails up one corner with a few winds of insulating tape.
How would you code it?
I would rate C1 just because its cr@p!

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 01 April 2013 10:21 AM
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perspicacious

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I tend to use heat shrink end caps

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 01 April 2013 10:47 AM
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daveparry1

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No code i'd say. They're whithin an enclosure and insulated so what harm are they doing? Don't make problems where there aren't any!

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 01 April 2013 11:55 AM
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impvan

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What's wrong with that? AT least the last sparks has had the nowse to actually stick the live ends in an enclosure; the last one I lloked at the E7 tails were live, taped, and flapping around in free air - with a metal hoover tube leaning against them. No code!!
 01 April 2013 12:33 PM
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breaker

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Dave and impvan have a re-read of the OP I think he's saying the tails are just taped up and not in an enclosure, if so code 1 ?
 01 April 2013 01:16 PM
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impvan

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"...meter tails IN a c.u...."

To me, 'in' means, err,.....
 01 April 2013 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by: breaker

Dave and impvan have a re-read of the OP I think he's saying the tails are just taped up and not in an enclosure, if so code 1 ?


Even if not in an enclosure ,but taped up then still only a C2 as no immediate danger. No accesible live parts.

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 01 April 2013 04:57 PM
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breaker

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Originally posted by: impvan

"...meter tails IN a c.u...."



To me, 'in' means, err,.....


Yes I agree it's ambiguous are the tails in an enclosure or not maybe they are in the day rate board as well perhaps this is what he means if this the case then code 2.

Either way it is still an unsatisfactory result.

Personally I would have terminated them in a (Henley) connector block.
 01 April 2013 05:27 PM
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rogersmith7671

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If meter tails clipped to prevent removal from CU enclosure, then; requires improvement.
If clipped and terminated in junction box (Henly type ect.), satisfactory.

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 01 April 2013 06:56 PM
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daveparry1

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Breaker, the op said meter tails in a CU, if a consumer unit is not an enclosure I don't know what is!

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 01 April 2013 07:22 PM
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Jaymack

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Originally posted by: 74jools
How would you code it?

IMO? ...... C3, because it isn't dangerous, but does require improvement.

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 01 April 2013 07:32 PM
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daveparry1

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Why do you consider it needs improvement then Jaymack? A pair of cables, the ends are insulated (albeit with tape) contained whithin an enclosure, what's the problem?

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 01 April 2013 07:47 PM
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peteTLM

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Originally posted by: daveparry1

Why do you consider it needs improvement then Jaymack? A pair of cables, the ends are insulated (albeit with tape) contained whithin an enclosure, what's the problem?



Dave.


Its rough as a badgers. Why didnt they get them removed or remove them themselves?

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 01 April 2013 07:52 PM
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aligarjon

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i don't see a problem as they are in an enclosure. i would recommend the customer get them disconnected as they are paying rent on a meter they aren't using.

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 01 April 2013 08:23 PM
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alancapon

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Originally posted by: aligarjon
. . . i would recommend the customer get them disconnected as they are paying rent on a meter they aren't using. . .

Unlikely. The original E7 configuration used a standalone Radio TeleSwitch to change the tariff on the meter and a built-in 100A contactor to give a supply that was "off peak only" (the 24-hour supply counts on the "off peak" register during the off peak time. The newer meters have the RTS unit built in to the meter, but there is no room for the contactor. The modern meters now offer a low current rated switched neutral, for switching a customer's contactor nto control the "off peak only" load.

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 01 April 2013 09:24 PM
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How did the board get changed with out the head fuses removed by the local DNO? Surely the redundant tails would have been removed then
 01 April 2013 11:07 PM
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taped up ends from a live DNO main?

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 01 April 2013 11:15 PM
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via the cutout fuse so no worse than some I've seen

They would have been in a henley if my job

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 02 April 2013 12:15 AM
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rogersmith7671

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Done during the day when E7 is off, meter tails none too safely terminated.

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