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 03 February 2013 07:17 PM
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Just got back from a customers place after visiting to service an old boiler and fix a few things, boiler was working ok but when tested was producing over 1500ppm co, serviced and cleaned spotless still1200ppm.

I'm not allowed to cap it of and am escorted out was a good customer too, reported to the GT they will re asses and do the necessary.

Still I feel crap, bloody work, can't forget when. Get in the van!

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 03 February 2013 07:20 PM
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 03 February 2013 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by: Martynduerden




Still I feel crap, bloody work, !


CO has that effect!
 03 February 2013 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by: Martynduerden

Still I feel crap, bloody work, !


CO has that effect!


Ha very good!

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 03 February 2013 07:39 PM
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GT ?
 03 February 2013 07:40 PM
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Sorry gas transporter

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 03 February 2013 08:59 PM
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Originally posted by: Martynduerden

Sorry gas transporter


Is it like a car transporter,but for gas?
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 03 February 2013 09:22 PM
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 03 February 2013 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by: stateit

Try here ?



I prefer yo lot to the gas lot, far less teratorial!

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 04 February 2013 06:35 PM
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Mart, what is the acceptable level for carbon monoxide? i don't get a feel from the numbers you've posted cos I don't know if 10 is too high or 50,000 is acceptable.

How bad was this boiler? I'm guessing that this was not a borderline case and can see that you had turned out on a Sunday for it. Sorry for you.

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 04 February 2013 09:21 PM
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9 ppm CO Max prolonged exposure (ASHRAE standard)
35 ppm CO Max exposure for 8 hour work day (OSHA)
800 ppm CO Death within 2 to 3 hours
12,800 ppm CO Death within 1 to 3 minutes

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 04 February 2013 09:59 PM
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I had a casual drinking mate back in my Young Farmers days from down Legh Richardson's way, his brother and his brothers mate died in a farm silo from CO it was assumed one of them got into trouble then the other went to help resulting in them both dying. Sadly my old mate then died not so long back when he fell into the combine harvester he was trying to clear. CO isn't to be treated lightly.

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 09 February 2013 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by: stateit

Try here ?





WOW - a secret society - I wonder if they have an initiation ceremony? Maybe they do 'things' with a monkey wrench? Maybe we should do just that - then we could act in a superior way and hide any help from the rubbish general pubic, ( ), and only accept REAL electricians that have at least been electrocuted twice - but proof must be included within the forthcoming application!!

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 09 February 2013 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by: weirdbeard

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me too???

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 09 February 2013 01:50 PM
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I went to look at some electrical work at a house yesterday, a guy turned up to change the gas meter condemned the installation with pipework run externally not supported as the clips had fell off, pipes too close to electric cables amongst other things. So he changed the meter, but left the supply capped so no heating or hot water.

The gas fitter sent for me, as the meter and incoming protective devices are in a wooden box externally that leaks water when it rains, switch fuse has burnt, the front has fell off and is held on with tape, as it is TT there are water damaged RCDs, there is a supply to a couple of bath room towel rails running off a D16 MCB. All quite nasty, would anyone ever turn it off though and cap the supply like the gas? Of course not!

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 09 February 2013 02:17 PM
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. . . would anyone ever turn it off though and cap the supply like the gas? . . .

Only the DNO has the authority to disconnect a supply of electricity on safety grounds. The permission for this is written into the ESQCR regulations, but I am not sure if it can be delegated to a Meter Operator as well. I know of no legislation that would allow an electrician to disconnect an installation until improvements can be made.

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 09 February 2013 02:28 PM
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It would be interesting to know how the local DNO would react to such a situation Alan....

Although we have no legal power as electricians to isolate a supply there must be a defence (from wrongful disconnection) under the fact we are exercising a duty of care under either the H&S or EAW acts.

As to the CO issue that Andy raised in silos, H2S is also a very real risk in those situations and I understand that's pretty lethal too.


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 09 February 2013 02:53 PM
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With the national change over to smart meters there does seem to be the opportunity for a basic safety check of the consumers side that will be missed. I appreciate that the meter operators aren't going to do a full safety inspection, but then neither do the gas, but will they even flag up the glaringly obvious problems? Bear in mind they are often the same meter people for gas and electricity anyway, so procedures and processes are already in place, it just needs an extension of scope. At least they could post a warning notice as the gas do for inadequate earthing.

Regards the farmers, I do think carefully about going into lofts and the like, if a gas flue is leaking into a loft a serious danger exists. I worked on some houses here in Worcester and some years after they were completed there was a prosecution because the plumbers never put the flue in to connect the gas flue blocks built into the wall to the roof ridge terminal, one still had a cement bag pushed into the terminal block within the loft to stop mortar falling down it whilst the bricklayers took the wall on up.

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 09 February 2013 07:08 PM
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If a gas engineer suspects a situation that would be classified as ID (immediately dangerous) then with the permission of the owner they can cap off either the faulty appliance or if it is the pipework then the meter outlet. I thought I was the only one who carried a FGA on here?
 09 February 2013 07:32 PM
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Acronym Definition
FGA Field Goals Attempted (basketball statistic)
FGA Fiat Group Automobiles
FGA Food Grinder Attachment
FGA Fibrinogen, A alpha polypeptide
FGA Feature Group A
FGA Full Gospel Assembly
FGA Florida Geographic Alliance
FGA Fighter Ground Attack
FGA Fundo de Garantia Automóvel (Portugese: Motor Vehicle Guarantee Fund)
FGA Fort Greely, Alaska
FGA Florida Guides Association
FGA Frequently Given Answer
FGA Fine-Grained Authorization (software)
FGA Funky Green Aliens (Belgium)
FGA Free Grace Alliance (Tomball, TX)
FGA Free Game Arts
FGA Florida Greyhound Association
FGA Fantasy Golf Association
FGA Frank Giannantonio Associates Inc.
FGA Fellow, Gemological Association of Great Britain
FGA Free-Space Green's Function Approach
FGA Final Goods Audit
FGA Flower Growers Association (various locations)

Someone is going to have to explain that before you introduce a acronym you put the term in full followed by the acronym in brackets, then the intials can go it alone

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