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Created On: 27 January 2013 08:14 PM
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 27 January 2013 08:14 PM
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For all you procrastinating married men

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 27 January 2013 08:29 PM
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Well there you go. Quite how having a socket outside for the lawnmower unprotected by an RCD and possibly incorrect polarity is less dangerous than wiring an additional light in a bathroom I'm struggling with but then I'm only a QS :/

On the plus side, now it's watered down to beyond the point of stupidity thats £500 I'll save this year by not bothering to renew the part p bit. Surely on EU competition grounds it's only right that if a builder (no offence) can work in a kitchen and doesn't have to pay, why should I


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 27 January 2013 08:29 PM
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Poor Fellas, more nagging.
 28 January 2013 08:32 AM
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I suspect most competent DIYers have completely ignored petty regulations such as they are. This is merely Her Majesty's Government relaxing regulations in order to be more 'inline' with reality.
 28 January 2013 10:09 AM
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Well theres a thing! I don't have to worry about the kitchen thing in future and I know many people who do the electrics in their house and don't bother with the council. I feel its getting worse as with every move the government make they get it wrong all piece meal really. Nick Clegg actually stated the other day that they had cut too much too soon - plonkers. I can only see trouble from this as it gives the green light to start doing things wrong but whatever 'they' do it will never be right!

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 28 January 2013 10:19 AM
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Presumably they will still need to work to BS7671 do appropriate tests and produce a certificate though.
 28 January 2013 10:56 AM
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Well, it's over 2 years since I finally packed up and got out. Not a bad move. I work shifts but have more disposable income than when I was self employed and infinitely less stress. I'm almost a Desk Jockey, just poking a keyboard on large SCADA system.

Having been on the tools all my working life I just can't bring myself to taking the last box of tools out of my van. I feel naked without my tools. So they sit there expectantly rattling now and then as if to say "we're still here daddy!"

One thing that has kept me from dabbling though is good old Part P.

I still get old customers calling and desperately trying to get me to do jobs for them and by far my strongest get-out is that I'm no longer a scheme member.

I do hope they don't water it down too much. It's the only thing saving me from myself. Well, that and a few quids worth of Public Liability insurance!

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 28 January 2013 11:11 AM
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I recall one now retired electrician, before the regulations kicked in, wiring a double socket from the downstairs lighting circuit. This socket was around 2m high, above a shelf above the front door {inaccessable except by stepladder}.

Eventually 2 outside lights were 'plugged' in to circumvent the regulations; the socket also changed to RCD type.
 28 January 2013 05:13 PM
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Any one got more info on whats going on with part p this year?
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 28 January 2013 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by: mrcornbeef

Any one got more info on whats going on with part p this year?

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Here;

http://www.planningportal.gov..../BR_PDF_AD_P_2013.pdf

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 31 January 2013 09:19 AM
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Nice one Cyril! So, theres no 'U' turns here then?

regards... Tom

p.s., Just wondering - mmmmmm? Whats the chances of a brain storm by these 'experts' to bring back the RYB? hahaha!

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 31 January 2013 08:18 PM
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I'm just wondering how much more my annual scheme membership is going to cost me if I choose to become a third party inspector, and if I need to be on the electric safe register and the other one run by certsure, and buy a special hat from a specified milliner. Perhaps I will also need to increase my PI through a specified insurer to about £50million.

I've been doing third party for the local council as full and proper Inspection and testing for years so at least my local BC will be pleased by this change. I may have to give some thought to local competition from here on though...I've rather had the monopoly on local DIY and unregistered notifiable work.

Is anyone from a junction box manufacturer looking in? Well, you'd better start making some more. Anyone from an earth sleeving manufacturer looking in? Well, time to find another product to keep you going I'm afraid.

All that said, I like it very much.

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 31 January 2013 08:53 PM
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Specialist training course.

New book on inspection and testing.

Additional registration category and fee to be paid to registration body.

Shirt and tie with logos.

New set of certificates with logos on.

Pen with registration body logo on it.

Extra van stickers with logos on.

New online notification system with fee to be paid.

And a new hat from the famous milliner Centurion
 31 January 2013 09:09 PM
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wrong about the hat Andy. But otherwise, please edit lest you give them all ideas. I bet they are having a field day and lots of meetings are taking place. It will doubtless be one of these hats: Bates Daarling, mind if I borrow your credit card?

http://bates-hats.com/store/in...hp?_a=viewCat&catId=4

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 31 January 2013 09:19 PM
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 31 January 2013 09:24 PM
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It's a service and subject to Vat, will you charge vat for your service like building control?
 31 January 2013 09:33 PM
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Back in the days when extensions on domestic property were zero rated for VAT a VAT inspector pulled us up because I had drawn the plans and that was a "professional service" which was chargeable unlike the actual building work, so we had to pay the VAT over.

Then Nigel Lawson said he would resolve the issues the building trades had of what was and wasn't liable for VAT by putting it on everything.

So, yes it's liable to VAT, but only if you are registered.

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