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Created On: 24 January 2013 01:41 PM
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 24 January 2013 01:41 PM
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Hi all

Can I notify a job for part p if I have only tested the work? I've inspected at different stages of the work but the work was carried out by a friend. I was going to sign the test. Section of a EIC but he wants to get a part p compliance cert.
 24 January 2013 02:27 PM
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I suspect the correct answer is no. Check with your scheme operator by all means, but AD P seems to suggest that the actual installation work has to be done by a member of a scheme to avoid pre-notification.

It might be worth the householder having a word with their LABC - they have been known to be reasonable and accept reasonable efforts even if they don't comply with the letter of the regs. They also tend to be more forgiving of those that volunteer before they get caught.

That said, come April, the rules might be different.

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 24 January 2013 02:29 PM
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No none of the clubs allow their competent persons to notify other people's work as up to now 3rd party testing was not allowed. There is now provision for 3rd party testing the new Part P AD however the details of the requirements for these persons have not been published yet.

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 24 January 2013 02:42 PM
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Thanks for your replies, it's about what I thought, cheers.
 29 January 2013 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by: John Peckham

...the new Part P AD...


I've just had a search on the Gov't Communities www and can't find that, is there a link to that please John?

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 29 January 2013 07:40 PM
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https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/8386/2063566.pdf

Try this Mark.
 29 January 2013 08:30 PM
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Thanks Dave, i found it in the end.

http://www.planningportal.gov....F_AD_P_2013.pdf


I've not read it all yet, but it appears that there will be a new category in the P bodies to issue, that is one of a competent 3rd party certifier.
I doubt that it will cost any more to have this extra feather in your cap

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 30 January 2013 02:39 PM
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The way way I read the new 2013 AD P is that a registered 3rd party certifier can be used to I&T's the work and if it is satisfactory issue an EICR. The 3rd party certifier's regulation body then issues the building regs compliance cert to the occupier and the building control body.

I don't think you can just be an ECS gold card holder and not a club member to be a 3rd party certifier, but I may have misunderstood JCM's post.

Doesn't the installer still have a responsibility to issue an EIC
for the design, construction element of the work under BS7671?

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 30 January 2013 09:01 PM
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Parsley writes
The way way I read the new 2013 AD P is that a registered 3rd party certifier can be used to I&T's the work and if it is satisfactory issue an EICR. The 3rd party certifier's regulation body then issues the building regs compliance cert to the occupier and the building control body.
Parsley, what you are suggesting that a competent person registered with a Part P competent person scheme can only carry out third party inspection.
You mean the Government and UKAS approved schemes; that can take an annual fee from those who join a scheme and now will charge a fee from those who do not. That is against the law creating a monopoly. No Government at their peril would ever approve such a scheme.

(By the way, Parsley, congrats on becoming registered professional engineer with Engineering Council.)
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 30 January 2013 10:55 PM
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Thanks jcm

That's how I interpret 3.5 to 3.7 of the 2013 version.

The 3rd party certifiers registration body issues the building regs compliance certificate to the occupier and a copy to the building control body within 30 days off receiving a satisfactory EICR from the 3rd party certify.

I think I need 3.4 explained further.
I understand installers who are Self cert registered are able to notify their own work. It goes on to say they or their registration body must issue a building regs compliance cert to the occupier and the building control body within 30 days of completing the work. Can an individual with an ECS gold card now issue a BRCC?

I also think but maybe I have got it wrong, that to be a new QS for one of the reg bodies you're going to need a NVQ level 3/or be a ECS gold card holder.

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Sorry if I'm not making sense.
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