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 16 January 2013 09:28 PM
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Yes you have guessed the subject matter.

I start by declaring interests I am NAPIT/UKAS & ECA Registered.

Elecsafereg have set up a twitter account @elecsafereg they decided to follow me on twitter - First mistake.

I quizzed the ECA on why I was not listed on their register -because I am a NAPIT member also. Second mistake

@elecsafereg posted several tweets which were blatant lies which I was happy to correct on their twitter page for all their followers to see - they decided to un-follow me and even block me from seeing or commenting on thier crap. Third mistake.

So I pay full subs to the ECA (£600/ annum) and they no longer promote their members equally, they told me today that they will instruct all who enquire to search only the elecsafereg register - which I'm not on because I prefer to be a member of NAPIT over ELECSA/NICEIC.

I am awaiting contact from the head of the ECA for Thames region/ central south - I'm never sure.

I had been pointing out to elecsafereg that other, more industry focused registers exist and the fact that the ECA, ESC & the NICEIC are colluding to close the electrical industry for their own benefit.

I noticed that they have written to a few MP's who have blogged about the scheme / register without any knowledge of the harm this partnership is/ will cause.

I aim to write to every mp in England making sure they are well aware of what they are blogging about - I'm under no illusion that I can make any difference whatsoever but I will make damn sure I do my bit in reducing the readership of their properganda.

Lets just be clear NAPIT are not spotless far from it, they also tak my subs and do very little for it I'm not sure how they expect to compete when they sit on hire hands

I couldn't give a monkeys which side of my trousers you think my pants are on, this is just money, power and self interest over safety and the good of OUR industry.

Sit on your hands at your peril.

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 16 January 2013 09:49 PM
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Martyn,
Did you not get an automatic entry in the register as an ECA member?
I have and my ECA registration is commercial/industrial not domestic.

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 16 January 2013 09:53 PM
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No automatic entry as i am not assessed for domestic work by elecsa or the niceic, and to be honest I prefer not to be associated with certsure LLP.

Their actions feel criminal though I m sure they are nearly immoral.

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 16 January 2013 11:07 PM
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I thought all ECA members got domestic installer registration automatically? NICEIC ACs do if they fill out the form and send it back.

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 16 January 2013 11:14 PM
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Originally posted by: John Peckham

I thought all ECA members got domestic installer registration automatically? NICEIC ACs do if they fill out the form and send it back.


But I'm also registered with the "enemy" John, they have no reference to better organisations and will not include their members even if you are ALSO ECA.

Its just profit collusion and control over anything like a safety angle.

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 16 January 2013 11:16 PM
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If you want domestic registration and ECA you have to be assessed for the work by the ELECSA scheme or NICEIC. I have neither as I have no interest in pursuing domestic installation work, but have still been listed in their new register.

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 16 January 2013 11:20 PM
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I am not interested in being listed in the register, I am aggrieved at their methods and unfair promotion of different contractors all paying the same fee.

They openly admit they accept deemed to satisfy just not if its NAPIT.

It all stinks.

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 17 January 2013 12:26 AM
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I not into Twitter, however I just had a look at the page you are talking about. I clicked to see who the followers are and the second person on the list is a Martin Bruno, now then I have met two guys with that name, one is a local builder here in Worcester. whilst the other is, well you already know don't you!

Then I studied the NICEIC page and noticed that I had a nice colour picture of a neutral and earth busbar with a link between them. These advertising people really need to stop using library photos that they have pulled of the internet without checking the technical content, using this photo with the NICEIC logo over it is really not on https://twitter.com/officialNICEIC

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 17 January 2013 05:12 PM
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I'm really glad I got out of the 'rat race' schemes.
I try ever so hard to annoy customers, but they keep on recommending me!

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 17 January 2013 05:12 PM
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John,

ECA will only list domestic if you are "part P" registered with them.

As Keith has pointed out he's not involved in the domestic scene and a s result doesn't get assessed by elecsa (from the ECA)

We need to be because of the farm cottages and the odd extension although interestingly our three yearly inspection from the ECA which looks at our industrial deems to satisfy the elecsa requirement.

The whole thing elecsafe situation is a complete disaster and could have actually been a workable solution giving the industry our version of the "gas safe register" if the big three players (NICEIC,NAPIT & ECA) had got it right.

I'm hoping to table it at our next ECA meeting (and will be looking for a bit of support) in order that the local branches push it back up to the ECA council who it seems made the decisions to go into the scheme without reference to the membership (who actually own the association)


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 17 January 2013 05:32 PM
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I think Stu that Keith is actually stating that he has been included on the register, despite not beingPart P or being assessed by Elecsa.
 17 January 2013 05:37 PM
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Stu,
I agree, the membership should have been invited to comment on the deal in open forum; this has the potential to backfire massively. Even now the full extent of the arrangement is unclear.

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 17 January 2013 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by: spinlondon

I think Stu that Keith is actually stating that he has been included on the register, despite not beingPart P or being assessed by Elecsa.


Exactly that spin. It just amplifies the stupidity of it all, on a competence register for industrial/commercial and EICR but not domestic installation, its laughable.

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 17 January 2013 05:45 PM
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"I couldn't give a monkeys which side of my trousers you think my pants are on, this is just money, power and self interest over safety and the good of OUR industry."

Couldn't agree more well said!

I'm a member of one of the three schemes mentioned, (I won't say which as I wish to stay neutral on the subject) it's all about money, lots of money, for people who sit behind nice desks in warm offices on cold days, and like to dictate terms to the rest of us.

They are worse than the taxman, at least you get the NHS back in return from him!
 17 January 2013 05:46 PM
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Keith,

Emailed you

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 17 January 2013 06:06 PM
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I'm on both registers despite not having registered on any! I received the NAPIT sticker today with the Competent Person magazine, it's larger than the NICEIC one that I received, still not of sufficient size or quantity for the van with 2 sides, but maybe you have to buy more - Kerchink. Which one though on the toolbox? There's only one way to find out! OOPs, they've already started.

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 17 January 2013 09:13 PM
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So all you guys who signed up to be NICEIC registered as you saw it as a business advantage are going to lose that advantage when the name and logos are phased out, or have I got that wrong?

Regards

Anyone know what to do with these 100 horse burgers I`ve been saddled with.

I had a horse burger for my tea the other day, still got a bit between my teeth.

The wife made Tesco beefburgers for tea last night and asked if I wanted anything on it. I said "A fiver each way".

If you thought Tesco's were in mire about having horse meat on their burgers just wait till they analyse their Quarter Pandas!

My posh girlfriend likes to eat Waitrose finest beef burgers with a bit of Red Wine, I prefer my Tesco value ones with a bit of Red Rum.

Whatever next? My Lidl pony?

I see absolutely no problem with horsemeat in my burgers, which is why my mane is so glossy and I'm running in the 3:10 at Kempton

Went to the freezer to check my Tesco burgers, and....THEY'RE OFF!

Never having another one of those Tesco burgers. Gave me the trots!

Gotta admit tho', when the disease inevitably hits - 'Crazy Horses' sounds way cooler that 'Mad Cow'

I've tried Sainsbury's and Tesco burgers and I have to say Tesco wins by a nose!
 17 January 2013 10:31 PM
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Originally posted by: sparkingchip

So all you guys who signed up to be NICEIC registered as you saw it as a business advantage are going to lose that advantage when the name and logos are phased out, or have I got that wrong?



Regards



Anyone know what to do with these 100 horse burgers I`ve been saddled with.



I had a horse burger for my tea the other day, still got a bit between my teeth.



The wife made Tesco beefburgers for tea last night and asked if I wanted anything on it. I said "A fiver each way".



If you thought Tesco's were in mire about having horse meat on their burgers just wait till they analyse their Quarter Pandas!



My posh girlfriend likes to eat Waitrose finest beef burgers with a bit of Red Wine, I prefer my Tesco value ones with a bit of Red Rum.



Whatever next? My Lidl pony?



I see absolutely no problem with horsemeat in my burgers, which is why my mane is so glossy and I'm running in the 3:10 at Kempton



Went to the freezer to check my Tesco burgers, and....THEY'RE OFF!



Never having another one of those Tesco burgers. Gave me the trots!



Gotta admit tho', when the disease inevitably hits - 'Crazy Horses' sounds way cooler that 'Mad Cow'



I've tried Sainsbury's and Tesco burgers and I have to say Tesco wins by a nose!


brilliant. i haven't laughed like that for ages.

Gary

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 18 January 2013 12:25 AM
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Originally posted by: slittle

The whole thing elecsafe situation is a complete disaster and could have actually been a workable solution giving the industry our version of the "gas safe register" if the big three players (NICEIC,NAPIT & ECA) had got it right.



I'm hoping to table it at our next ECA meeting (and will be looking for a bit of support) in order that the local branches push it back up to the ECA council who it seems made the decisions to go into the scheme without reference to the membership (who actually own the association)

Stu


Stu we should chat and speak from the same hym sheet, I intend to raise this at our next ECA meeting (Thames valley)

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 18 January 2013 05:48 AM
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Just as we thought "At last the schemes are doing something positive".

Well all schemes combining one register even if keeping their own separate identities within it would have been a good idea.

I don`t know the politics of it.

I suspect they were all discussing something then Napit started their own register and allow a member of any scheme to be included then Elecsa/ECA & Niceic started theirs and excluded Napit members , or so it appears.

Then Niceic sent a disgusting email almost warning us not to be in other than theirs.

Well I volunteered to be in the Napit one (Ok it`s mostly Napit but their are a few Nic, Elecsa & Eca firms listed too). I was automatically put in the other one because I am with Elecsa.

so I am in both.

They should have al;l talked, then consulted their members, then got it together, all on board.

Looks like someone jumped first or jumped because the others were about to.

Handbags at dawn and about seven or eight years too late.

They`ve made themselves out to be a right tin of pilchards!

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