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Topic Summary: should we turn it down
Created On: 29 December 2012 12:32 PM
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 29 December 2012 12:32 PM
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SKElectrical

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I installed two light fittings over xmas that I would never have in my house. they were electrically safe.
they were: a champagne glass chandelier
& a wine glass chandelier.
Both are virtually identical. They are a pendant with a 3-tier rack attached to it, on which hang about 20 glasses. The issue is that the glasses can be knocked off very easily (with obvious concerns).


Thing is if it had been a standard fitting with glass shades, I would never have fitted it if the glass could be as easily dislodged.

Should I not have fitted them?
(installed in my bother's kitchen)
 29 December 2012 01:10 PM
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I suspect the Customer is always right.
I think the most you can offer is your expert opinion and leave the rest to the client.
I have had several 'unique' light fittings to install over the years which have made me think, 'how on earth am I going to get that up without a third hand?' - enter client, who then becomes my assistant.....

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 29 December 2012 06:54 PM
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Well I certainly would not give the cleaning contract to Del Boy Trotter!

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 29 December 2012 06:57 PM
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Seriously though.
Install the safe bit.
Advise them not to install the unsafe bit and tell them why not.
Then leave them to it.

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 29 December 2012 09:01 PM
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I'm with Ebee.

Duty of care springs to mind or a similar phrase that I'm sure OMS could find us if he wasn't away hiding in the valleys for Christmas :-)

As long as it's electrically safe, there's no reason not to install that bit and leave the rest, it's at their risk then.


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 30 December 2012 05:54 PM
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peteTLM

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would a dab of clear silicone sort it out? otherwise i wouldnt put it up at all.

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 30 December 2012 08:34 PM
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SKElectrical

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see through elastic bands.. Job done.
it is astonishing that the manufacturer can be so irresponsible in the 1st place. these fittings were hundreds each.
 30 December 2012 10:44 PM
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Zs

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SK, I know about these suspended glass hanger-uppers from sore experience. Zoom in on the temporary avatar and witness a £400 smash up of my own glasses.

In my case, not one of the light fittings, rather some hangers from Ikea I put over my kitchen sink because I am too lazy to dry glasses which don't go in the dishwasher. Originally installed before I had a decent SDS drill and clearly not a good enough fixing.

I still have the rack, securely fixed nowadays, but the stewart crystal collection......I'd had those for years and had decided to use them instead of leaving them unused in a cupboard. I had one left.

The noise was pretty spectacular and you are quite right, the safety element in a family home would be a big deal. I found little chunks of glass for weeks afterward.

The glass hanging fittings have been around in interiors magazines for ages and will probably be going out of fashion soon. A temporary issue I suspect. Not least, the glasses aren't exactly quality so the twinkle is disappointing.

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 31 December 2012 08:18 AM
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ebee

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Well I`m gob-smacked .
I assumed that your brother had made them himself or had someone make them for him, not a readily made product by a manufacturer!
Ooh Heck!

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 31 December 2012 06:13 PM
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I think there are two aspects to consider,

Firstly, if the worst happened and someone was seriously hurt. Your brother may not sue you, but if it was a neighbough of his, they might.

Secondly, how would you feel if someone was hurt. You have to answer to your conscience if not the law.

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 31 December 2012 06:39 PM
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"Your brother may not sue you, but if it was a neighbough of his, they might."

If it goes to an insurance claim, they will make the decision, possibly in spite of your brother's wishes.......

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