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 11 December 2012 10:26 PM
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Westonelectrical

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My dad wants led lights (plug in) to come on with lights, could that be spur of ring through contactor?.
 11 December 2012 10:36 PM
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You would still need to get a cables from the light to the contactor and from the switch to the contactor, so not really a suitable application for a contactor.

You could add additional 5A sockets to the lighting circuit see these http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/MKK0771.html, and connect them to the switches as required

Alternatively if redecoration is an issue you could look at http://www.schneider-electric....ng-systems/sphere.page
 11 December 2012 10:39 PM
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aligarjon

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which lights do you want them to come on with ? do you mean on the same switch as some existing ? inside or outside ? i doubt you'd need a contactor. you could maybe use some sort of radio link


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 11 December 2012 10:45 PM
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Westonelectrical

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Bathroom lights on its own feed, he wants a socket putting maybe in loft to plug in some kick board LEDs
 11 December 2012 10:57 PM
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Just put a normal socket in the loft fed from the bathroom light feed. It's not likely that someone would come along and plug a 3 kW heater into it is it? Even if they did it would only trip the mcb!

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 11 December 2012 11:06 PM
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Westonelectrical

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Would that be ok to do then?.?
 11 December 2012 11:10 PM
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Westonelectrical

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Good idea
 11 December 2012 11:12 PM
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daveparry1

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No reason why not, it's quite common to power tv aerial amplifiers that way. Put a 3amp fuse in the plug. Mark the socket "lighting only" if you really want to be fussy

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 12 December 2012 09:54 AM
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No reason why not, it's quite common to power tv aerial amplifiers that way. Put a 3amp fuse in the plug. Mark the socket "lighting only"

That's what I'd do. 5A round-pin sockets aren't really suitable these days when everything comes with fitted 13A plugs, often with PSUs built-into them.
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 12 December 2012 01:48 PM
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Delbot321

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If you're looking for simple remote controls on a 13A plug the easist is one of the wireless remote control plug in units. Simple, funcitonal and relatively cheap and not too much to sort on the mains wiring.

And another thumbs up for a 13A outlet off of the lighting circuit to power simple things in the roof like TV booster or christmas lights.
 12 December 2012 04:06 PM
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You won't be forgetting the 30mA RCDadditional protection for the socket outlet and for any/all circuits of the special location will you chaps

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 12 December 2012 05:53 PM
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Is a loft now a "special location" OMS and would a socket located in a loft and marked lighting only be intended for general use ?

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 12 December 2012 05:58 PM
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Perhaps the mention of Christmas lights. I suspect these are more likely to be going outside than staying in the loft!

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 12 December 2012 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by: daveparry1

Is a loft now a "special location" OMS and would a socket located in a loft and marked lighting only be intended for general use ?

Dave.



Bathroom lights on its own feed, he wants a socket putting maybe in loft to plug in some kick board LEDs


Lights going in the bathroom Dave ? - last time I looked it was a special location

Sockets outlets intended for a particular purpose will be used by anyone for anything in a domestic setting. Trust me, the 13A single socket in my attic wired off the first floor lights has had all sorts of kit wired into it - including Xmas lights outside as Alan C indicates - and I know the risks

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 12 December 2012 06:15 PM
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Did you know that 99.9% of accidents relating to lighting up our houses with Xmas cheer are associated with falls from ladders, steps and whatever objects they use to precariously hang some festive adornments for us all to enjoy, I suspect another Xmas will pass quietly without too many smoking corpses littering the streets.

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 12 December 2012 06:28 PM
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Perhaps the mention of Christmas lights
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I can't see any mention of "Xmas lights" by the OP? Also why would he want Xmas lights to come on only with the bathroom lights?
He did mention led so I think he just wants some led lights in his bathroom, these will almost certainly be part of a C E approved kit with the transformer plugged into the socket in the loft so all the 240v stuff will be outside the zones

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 12 December 2012 06:35 PM
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without too many smoking corpses littering the streets


Well, there'll be a few I guess - but that'll be the ganja and the cheap vodka rather than a zap from the Xmas lights -

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 12 December 2012 06:44 PM
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Originally posted by: daveparry1
. . . I can't see any mention of "Xmas lights" by the OP? Also why would he want Xmas lights to come on only with the bathroom lights? . . .

The OP hasn't admitted it, but Delbot321 seems to be planning it!

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 13 December 2012 03:03 PM
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You won't be forgetting the 30mA RCDadditional protection for the socket outlet and for any/all circuits of the special location will you chaps


Maybe the led driver is built into the plug. so the circuit that enters the bath room is elv.

otherwises I dont get the point of a socket.
 13 December 2012 03:10 PM
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Maybe the led driver is built into the plug. so the circuit that enters the bath room is elv


Maybe the LED driver is built into the luminaire so the circuit that enters the bathroom isn't ELV -

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