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Topic Title: ELECTRIC SAFE REGISTER
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Created On: 04 December 2012 06:27 PM
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 04 December 2012 06:27 PM
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John Peckham

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I registered with the Napits ElectricSafe Register on line. I had a phone call the next day from a charming lady to confirm my details. I have just checked and I don't appear on the register. I scanned down the register but could only find NAPIT contractors. I though from the publicity material the register was for members of all schemes. Have NAPIT changed the rules on this?

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 04 December 2012 06:49 PM
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John

Did the same. NAPIT lady Message left on our voicemail to call them back. Did twice - never received a call back from NAPIT. Maybe there has been a reversal due to 'competition issues'?

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 04 December 2012 07:38 PM
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Same issue here. I registered but I'm not on the list - can only see NAPIT members there. Maybe they are just collecting details to sell on! Since registering I've begin receiving a lot more junk email.

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 04 December 2012 08:47 PM
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aligarjon

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i'm not on there either. i just put my post code in and nothing. i have just scrolled down about 20 pages or so and there are a couple of NIC restered companies there though so maybe just not processed yet ?

Gary

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 04 December 2012 10:06 PM
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Give them a chance they have to write all the address labels to post the van stickers out as well as update the database
 04 December 2012 10:10 PM
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well i hope that the part p guys that have no qualifications dont get to join the register,,

example kitchen fitters etc this must not happen
 04 December 2012 10:16 PM
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Of course they will! They are part p qualified
 05 December 2012 10:14 AM
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tattyinengland

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Well a couple weeks ago, the NICEIC sent me a package informing me of this electricsafe register. They also said that I was already registered and I did not have to do anything. They also sent a Van sticker.
I have not had to do anything and am registered and have a Van sticker to proclaim the fact.

It now looks as if I am with Elecsa and the ECA!
 16 December 2012 04:34 PM
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Ddub

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Yet another logo to confuse the public.
Another waste of time in my opinion.
 16 December 2012 05:02 PM
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Zs

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Well, yes anyone can join if they are registered with someone and I am sure that this thread will be observed.

I don't feature because napit have allowed me some privacy since calling the police out 27 times on account of the over-discussed stalker. CCTV is good for finding out who sent you a valentine and who uses your outside tap these days, all good. I might ask for a sticker or two to cover some bumps on Myfanwe...It's me van, and it's wee you see. I am sure OMS will correct my spelling.

I expect it takes a bit of time. Curiously, just last week I invited Napit's Frank Bertie (to whom I warmed during the GN3 debacle) to join me on linked In and his response is an accept, and for comment on the new register. I shall alert him to this thread when I reply later in the week. I'm all crashed out at the moment so will do it later lest he gets the T&E response. That's Tired & Emotional, not to do with cable.

A case of wine has been anonymously delivered here and my instinctive suspects have categorically denied. Someone who knows me well enough to know I don't drink red or >11.5%. If it is one of my friends from here I send you a huge thank you.

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 16 December 2012 06:12 PM
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The Electrical Safety Register has been launched by the NICEIC, ECA, ELECSA and Electrical Safety Council.

The ElectricSafe Register was launched at almost exactly the same time by NAPIT. The Scheme is open to any electrician or domestic installer registered to any scheme provider and NAPIT registered installers will automatically be registered.

All ElectricSafe electricians meet strict qualification requirements and are assessed to ensure their ongoing competence.

(How would NAPIT know how other schemes qualifications and assessments?, not having access to data.)
The main differences between the two organisations are as follows:
1/ The NICEIC only requires one "Qualified Supervisor" per company to have professional inspectors qualifications, provided that all of the companies work is undertaken in the same area (eg Bristol). NAPIT requires all electricians within the electrical workforce of a company, to have professional inspectors qualifications.
2/ The cost of joining NAPIT, is cheaper than membership with the NICEIC.
3/ The NICEIC invests more money in advertising, than NAPIT.
To conclude:
Clients who employ a NAPIT registered electrician can be assured their electrician has the same skills, qualifications and working procedures required to be a member of the NICEIC or any other Part P monitoring organisation.

Other registers, like the Safe Electric logo (Registered Electric Contractor) is Law (Outside UK).
http://www.google.co.uk/search...QsAQ&biw=1024&bih=595

Then we have the Part P Electric Safety Registered Installer Logo, which is Law only if you pay money to join a scheme. (In parts of the UK)

http://www.tradeskills4u.co.uk.../Part-P-DIY-Regulation

It is all very confusing.
 16 December 2012 06:16 PM
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Ddub

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Exactly, confusing and not needed. In other words, Crap....
 17 December 2012 06:03 AM
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I joined the Napit one, got a call and a few days later I was on - the only non Napit member for miles around that I could see at the time.

Had another look last week still mostly Napit but with a few Elecsa and a few more NICEIC thrown in now

Also with being in Elecsa I`m on the Elecsa/ECA/Niceic one too.

Now then, will any of them bring more work in?
Why have they waited since Jan 2005 till now?

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 17 December 2012 11:35 AM
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Well they must let anyone join. Ive just checked and Im now on (NIC and ECA). Its just took a bit of time to be updated I suppose. I only found a couple of NIC in my area though
 17 December 2012 01:29 PM
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I would just like to comment on part of a post with reference to this site http://www.tradeskills4u.co.uk.../Part-P-DIY-Regulation and the following statement that has been made, all I can say to protect my interests is that it is questionable at the moment.

The committee will be writing to key DIY stores advising them to produce this important advice on their electrical products. This essential advice will address the need to increase public awareness of electrical safety in the home as well as highlight the important work a Part P registered electrician does to ensure the safety of householders in the UK.

There is also talk of the possibility of introducing mandatory registration (or licensing) to prevent unlicensed individuals from purchasing such electrical equipment. The committee will be looking into this possibility during a review in 2 years time.

Around the middle of 2013 various 'Barrier to Trade' agreements will come into force across the EU that will make this idea unworkable, in our studies of areas where the restriction of electrical, plumbing and building goods are affected we have noticed the following;
a. The prices increase dramatically.
b. Consumers elect to use the black market for cheaper goods that are often less safe.
c. Suppliers and outlets find that profit is affected which has an impact on investment, employment and competition.


The news has been welcomed by NAPIT who say they've submitted evidence to suggest that 90% of its members support the introduction of mandatory registration.

The information that we have from various sources, freedom websites, petitions, feedback from constituencies, a myriad of letters etc; find this figure to perhaps be somewhat inflated, even if this 90% was correct it still only represents 12% of the small businesses who go around every day and do an excellent job so you are in the minority here.

As I pointed out already that the area of interest by your stakeholder is the consumer and domestic installer only as this is where they see more profit in gaining memberships, their calls for a set of domestic installer rules are real to make the job simpler to control and train more members in a short period of time is part of their vision, the commercial, industrial and construction sector will be unaffected by this and I will make a statement of behalf of the industry who are now looking into your future of Part P on an independent level.

Hence the delay.

regards

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 17 December 2012 01:56 PM
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. I might ask for a sticker or two to cover some bumps on Myfanwe...It's me van, and it's wee you see. I am sure OMS will correct my spelling.


Myfanwy, cariad - it derives from " annwyl" which translates as "beloved" - so perhaps not a bad name for the van

You're OK - Inspector Lewis has managed to get High Command of the Daffodil Army to call off the fatwa

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 17 December 2012 07:27 PM
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SAMJAKE

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Originally posted by: rocknroll

I would just like to comment on part of a post with reference to this site http://www.tradeskills4u.co.uk.../Part-P-DIY-Regulation and the following statement that has been made, all I can say to protect my interests is that it is questionable at the moment.



The committee will be writing to key DIY stores advising them to produce this important advice on their electrical products. This essential advice will address the need to increase public awareness of electrical safety in the home as well as highlight the important work a Part P registered electrician does to ensure the safety of householders in the UK.



There is also talk of the possibility of introducing mandatory registration (or licensing) to prevent unlicensed individuals from purchasing such electrical equipment. The committee will be looking into this possibility during a review in 2 years time.



Around the middle of 2013 various 'Barrier to Trade' agreements will come into force across the EU that will make this idea unworkable, in our studies of areas where the restriction of electrical, plumbing and building goods are affected we have noticed the following;

a. The prices increase dramatically.

b. Consumers elect to use the black market for cheaper goods that are often less safe.

c. Suppliers and outlets find that profit is affected which has an impact on investment, employment and competition.




The news has been welcomed by NAPIT who say they've submitted evidence to suggest that 90% of its members support the introduction of mandatory registration.



The information that we have from various sources, freedom websites, petitions, feedback from constituencies, a myriad of letters etc; find this figure to perhaps be somewhat inflated, even if this 90% was correct it still only represents 12% of the small businesses who go around every day and do an excellent job so you are in the minority here.

Yes the other 88% have more common sence, than to pay the scam fees!



As I pointed out already that the area of interest by your stakeholder is the consumer and domestic installer only as this is where they see more profit in gaining memberships, their calls for a set of domestic installer rules are real to make the job simpler to control and train more members in a short period of time is part of their vision, the commercial, industrial and construction sector will be unaffected by this and I will make a statement of behalf of the industry who are now looking into your future of Part P on an independent level.



Hence the delay.



regards
 17 December 2012 07:54 PM
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i brought this subject up with the ECA, asking if these guys that have been on the 3 day part p course would be allowed to join..

still waiting for an answer..
 17 December 2012 08:58 PM
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John Peckham

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"No member of the public should be subjected to dangerous works from unregistered electricians. "

The information in the link contains a lot of half truths and misleading statements such as the one above. Just because an electrician is unregistered it does not mean they are dangerous and conversely it does not mean all registered electricians do not do dangerous work. It also perpetuates the myth and deception to the public that just because they use a registered company they are getting a competent person turn up on the door step. In fact term "Competent Person Scheme" is misleading.

RnR you keep using the term "we" and "our", it would be helpful if you named the organisation or group you are referring to?

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 17 December 2012 08:59 PM
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John Peckham

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Ho-ray my company has made it on to the NAPIT ElecSafe register the only one for miles who is NICEIC among all those NAPIT boys and girls.

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