Well gentlemen I have recently had a similar situation and as we were on site we simply ran in a bit of g/y, "future proof" and free gratis!!

Cost a few bob but felt better for it. (not better off for it!!)

---"trust me, I am a consultant"

trust the electricity board, they wrote the book!

Regards.

LoL - no they didn't - the brave and the trusted down at Millbank wrote the book actually. EB's did just as they were told. They've been out of thier depth since 1990 -

BS951 clamps on lead sheaths - that's what's in your book, old son - so don't come the raw prawn with me.

Regards

OMS

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--hey! only the serious posters are up at this time of night!

Regards.

--hey! only the serious posters are up at this time of night!

Regards.

It's not that good, that you had to post it twice.

It is

It is

Depends where you are on this ball of clay I guess - some of us have clients that are just that bit further away than Watford gap services - this time of night might just be early tomorrow morning for some.

Regards

OMS

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LOL I think he got mixed up again.

The rules that you now work to were finalised at the Chief Engineers conference at Millbank in August 1982, and the tables appeared in the 15th edition wiring regs, before this period the boards operated on a 'ad hoc' basis in other words a bit of a mess, everything you do today is outlined in an original engineering document 12/2 the references to PME, PNB, CNE size of cables and earthing conductors etc; etc; is exactly the same now as it was then, I still have the minutes, memos and letters from that period including the original code of practice, on the 1st May 1983 the COP was adopted into law and those of us who were embedded with the various boards had to ensure this was followed to the letter, we were commonly know to the hard-liners as 'government spies, not to be trusted'.

The decisions with regard to the nationalised industry's was made as far back as 1948, in the late 70's the government employed hundreds of graduates of various engineering backgrounds, around 53 were placed with the various boards, the first 12-18months were spent 'learning the business' jointing, digging holes, fitting cutouts, overheads etc; etc; in the belief we would eventually get management positions like engineer, chief engineer etc; it wasnt revealed until late 1981 when those of us who were left, it had been whittled down to around thirty were called to the Department of Trade and the first thing we had to do was sign the lifetime OSA, all I can say is we then went on to 'verify' the upgrading of the network for all the reasons you now know.

I am apolitical and I can assure you when the network was handed over to the various private consortiums it was in excellent condition.

Just an historical point, in 1982 the DTI wasnt exactly the DTI but in the mid 70's had been split up into around 12 departments by the government of the day, Dept of Trade, Dept of Industry, Dept of Energy, Dept of Commerce, Dept of Finance, Dept of Consumer Affairs etc; etc; I think if you looked hard enough there must have been a Dept of Funny Walks in there somewhere, LOL , although the name DTI stuck it was not until 1983 that it was officially reverted back to the DTI with the exception of the Dept of Energy and a couple of others.

The boards in that day past for UKPN;
London EB
South Eastern EB
Southern EB
South Western EB
Eastern EB
East Midlands EB
Midlands EB
South Wales EB
Mersyside & North Wales EB
Yorkshire EB
North Eastern EB
North Western EB
South of Scotland EB
North of Scotland Hydro EB
Northern Ireland Electricity Service.

regards

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leave nothing but footprints!"
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"Oh! The drama of it all."
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OMG - now you've gone and opened Pandora's Box, Funkmeister -

OMS

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LOL You may be right, but there are still plenty of secrets left as you know.

regards

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leave nothing but footprints!"
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"Oh! The drama of it all."
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"You can throw all the philosophy you like at the problem, but at the end of the day it's just basic electrical theory!"
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Can't say - orders !! -

OMS

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LOL and there was me thinking you might be joining me in the tower with that fair maiden Zs on her way to the toilet bringing us a basket of food!!

regards

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"Take nothing but a picture,
leave nothing but footprints!"
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"Oh! The drama of it all."
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"You can throw all the philosophy you like at the problem, but at the end of the day it's just basic electrical theory!"
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It's always a possibility - but they gotta catch me first - and of course the Daffofdil Army will post me as a Prisoner of Concience with Amnesty - you'll be totally for the high jump though - no excuses

Still - flame grilled BK's, hand deliverd by Zs doesn't sound too bad - just not for breakfast though -

Regards

OMS

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Ah!! a message within a message, clever I prefer a Sub myself, lets just say that after all these years 'réalité incertain' still lingers like a bad smell in the dark corridors.

regards

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"Take nothing but a picture,
leave nothing but footprints!"
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"Oh! The drama of it all."
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"You can throw all the philosophy you like at the problem, but at the end of the day it's just basic electrical theory!"
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Just because someone want to bond something that doesn't exist, doesn't give you two the right to go all weird you know!

You been eating those mushrooms again haven't you!

LoL - In search of reality, me old chum - don't linger too long in those corrodors will you

Best Regards

OMS

PS - The red cow will fly tonite - but not in Berlin

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regards

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"Take nothing but a picture,
leave nothing but footprints!"
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"Oh! The drama of it all."
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"You can throw all the philosophy you like at the problem, but at the end of the day it's just basic electrical theory!"
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Shhhh - they are called organic biscuits, right

OMS

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Failure is always an option