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Created On: 02 December 2012 08:46 AM
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 02 December 2012 11:35 PM
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I think whilst we can all agree to disagree we can also agree that the Government wanted all part P notifications to come with a insurance backed warranty, however some scheme operators have not ensured this has happened, preferring to set their own criteria and standards for the operation of the schemes they operate under licence fro the Government.

So yes, it is correct for ELECSA to up their fees and include insurance.

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 03 December 2012 12:15 AM
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Dont forget it only applies to all 'notifiable' work.

After March there might not be much left to notify.

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 03 December 2012 06:07 AM
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Fellow forum members I am deeply sorry if I have offended in my comments re Elecsco and I apologize unreservedly
The ECA is a great organization and serves the industry well
My experience with Elecsco unfortunately has not been the same and I can only speak as I find working for a consultant, contractor and as a end-user
In 2008 I was asked to verify a large domestic Elecsco installation after concerns over the installation. The installation was at best dangerous and in an unsatisfactory condition.
While the installation was carried out under the Elecsco badge and not 12months old the installation contractor had not renewed his Elecsco membership hence Elecsco not liable
After issuing detailed report the customer instructed solicitors
In 2011 working for a consultant undertaking 3rd party verification of issued contractors certification. I found the standard of Elecsco submittal appalling with a common thread that the same 9 year old had been had been instrumental in the production of the certification littered with fundamental errors, which brings into question who assesses and verifies the Elecsco contractors
In 2012 under an insurance claim a builder was appointed to carry out the rectification work by the insurance company on a property that I own. The Electrical contractor was an Elecsco member. The completed installation is non compliant, incorrect documentation has been submitted. The compliant is current and ongoing. (And I will post with the outcome, which as Elecsco members you will find disturbing)
At best the response from the Elecsco office has been arrogant and patronizing, greater than thou with two versions of the wiring regulation being referred too 7671 and the Elecso version of 7671. The Elecsco contractors at best have been poor which brings into question standard of verification. The indication is if you have the enrolment fee you're in
As stated I deeply regret if I have caused offence but I speak as I find.

MrP Home in 16days.

The hot sun can impair any mans judgment but the installations in question all took place in bright sunny UK

the temp is a tadge cool at the moment, gave my dry suit an outing at weekend
 03 December 2012 06:19 AM
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Who the heck is "Elecso " ?

Is that some private firm registered with a scheme ?

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 03 December 2012 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by: ebee

Who the heck is "Elecso " ?



Is that some private firm registered with a scheme ?


Thats what ive been wondering?

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 03 December 2012 11:55 AM
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Is a Spanish outfit, although would think nothing to do with the damming post. Think it would be a good idea to delete the offending post and post the outcome later. Are you in Spain at the moment work or holiday?

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 03 December 2012 11:58 AM
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I assumed Elecso was a spelling mistake by MrP early on in this thread?
 03 December 2012 12:07 PM
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2008, 2011 and 2012 not bad really, 3 in 5 years is less than 1 ruff one a year, pretty good statistics.

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leave nothing but footprints!"
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"Oh! The drama of it all."
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"You can throw all the philosophy you like at the problem, but at the end of the day it's just basic electrical theory!"
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 03 December 2012 12:36 PM
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I have no time for any of these schemes or the utter chaos and confusion caused by the politicians and the Labc personael who failed to do their own job and ignored part p in its present form

Having said that,in any organisation (even politicians and Labc),there will be all sorts of individualsa and all sorts of standards evident

To come on and moan about an organisation as a whole,it is both wrong to condemn that organisation as a whole and its individual members

Elecso or whatever you like to call them are operating a poor concept no better or worse than Niceic Napit,Eca labc or Parliament

Edited: 03 December 2012 at 12:43 PM by Phillron
 03 December 2012 02:24 PM
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Whilst it is true the every man and his dog latched onto the Part P train because they could see some financial gain for themselves in all of this, the original concept of creating Parts A-P because of the rise of small businesses to standardize the build sector and ensuring, safety, health, efficiency, warmth and light for all is still there and has been achieved, so its not all bad.

When you look around the world today at some of the conditions, social, economic etc; you dont half live well compared to others.

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leave nothing but footprints!"
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"You can throw all the philosophy you like at the problem, but at the end of the day it's just basic electrical theory!"
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 03 December 2012 05:15 PM
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Originally posted by: rocknroll

Dont forget it only applies to all 'notifiable' work.



After March there might not be much left to notify.



regards


LOL! No wonder they want more money now!
 03 December 2012 05:55 PM
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RR "3 in 5 year's not bad stats" your equation doesn't somewhat stack up

Given the fact that I have only worked in the UK for 5moths since 2008
I think pretty bad stats and the 2011 third party audit was multiple indiscretions
They even upset the status quo this year when I wasn't even in the UK

As per my previous post I state what I find Elecsco are not bad they are the worst
Their arrogance and condescension

A Mickey Mouse name for a Mickey Mouse outfit but we all know who I mean

Apologise to MM for a disservice

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 03 December 2012 06:08 PM
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Who the heck is "Elecso " ?





Similar question relating to this subject, who the heck is 'Quidos'?

I saw this link recently and from what i can tell they have applied to run a new competent persons scheme including electrics.

http://webarchive.nationalarch...ilding/pdf/2181086.pdf
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