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 02 December 2012 08:46 AM
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alanblaby

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Is anyone else here with ELECSA, and had an email from them about new charges?
Got it yesterday, currently, we give the customer an option to buy an extended warranty for any work we have done, afaiaa, this costs 1% of the Invoice price.
Of course, no-one takes it up (0.07% was the take-up rate last time I asked).
Now, this is going to be compulsory, and the Contractor will have to pay for it when he/she submits a job (presumably this only affects Part P submissions?).

There is no indication of how much this will cost, which is pretty poor planning on ELECSAs part - if it is only 10p a job, why not say now, or maybe it is £2 or £3?

Anyway,do the other Bodies charge for this now?
Is it inculded, or, will they be adding this to their charges too?
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 02 December 2012 08:57 AM
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aligarjon

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NIC have always charged it. i can't remember what it is though. it's either £1 or £1.50 i think.

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 02 December 2012 09:01 AM
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alanblaby

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Is that on top of the submission charge?
I currently pay £1.50 +VAT (IIRC) per submitted job.
 02 December 2012 09:06 AM
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aligarjon

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yes it is. i think our submission charge is the same. i don't tend to take any notice how much it is now.

i just had a quick look . submission is £1.50 plus vat.
ins is £1.50 including insurance premium tax.

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 02 December 2012 10:48 AM
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MrP

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Out of all the schame providers Elesco are the worst, reputation, quality of work by its members and professionalism not just, but by a mile.
If the ECA could dump them they would
Why would anyone who wants to progress in this industry want to be associated with Elesco

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 02 December 2012 04:09 PM
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Care to back that up with some evidence then? Or is it just your opinion?

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 02 December 2012 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by: MrP
Out of all the schame providers Elesco are the worst, reputation, quality of work by its members and professionalism not just, but by a mile.

How do you know that?
 02 December 2012 05:37 PM
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I'd take offence at that Mr P. Our Part P is with Elecsa because they provide the Part P for the ECA.

As ECA members who are inspected by the ECA technical team for all of our other work, the Elecsa bit for the domestic is never a problem.

The office staff always seem capable and the inspecting engineers have always been pleasant and professional.


Back to the OP, I will be talking to Elecsa and the ECA this week as all of our work is already covered by the ECA warranty and Bond so I'm not paying twice !

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 02 December 2012 05:44 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong.

The government always wanted an insurance backed warranty with part P notifications, however only NAPIT have had it as a standard from the inception of part P with the other schemes offering it as an add on extra to the notification.

Thus I would suggest it is example of NAPIT fully embracing part P in a way that other schemes have failed to do so.

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 02 December 2012 06:00 PM
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We've always had it because of the ECA membership arrangements, back in the early days their part p was underwritten by BRE certification not ELECSA.

Although I don't believe the purely part p elecsa type guys have ??

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 02 December 2012 06:00 PM
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We've always had it because of the ECA membership arrangements, back in the early days their part p was underwritten by BRE certification not ELECSA.

Although I don't believe the purely part p elecsa type guys have ??

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 02 December 2012 06:00 PM
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daveparry1

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I don't think nic give us the option Andy, as far as i've ever known the warranty is automatic when doing the notification, i've never seen it listed as optional?

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 02 December 2012 06:08 PM
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I was thinking the same as stu re paying twice after having ECA provision.

As for Elecsa, before we were also ECA members part of the Elecsa joining criteria was to show that an insurance backed warranty was offered. If required, this could be free from ECIS (electrical contractors insurance services) which is owned by ECA. I forget what was required in the early days of Elecsa being owned by Fensa, but certainly that is the way it stands today.

I also take offence from comments about Elecsa and their members.

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 02 December 2012 06:23 PM
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Yes I`m with ELECSA too.
Originally Part P scheme requirements set by John Prescott`s gang was that scheme members had to offer all clients whose works totalled X amount (I think £200 was the figure) the opportunity to purchase a warranty for all notifiable works.

Any works not notifiable or less than this figure were not needed to be offered such.

We could if we wished offer for works less than this figure and for non notifiable works providing that we offered to all customers on the same basis.
ie we could not choose to offer Mrs Smith but not Mrs Jones under similar circumstances but might choose to offer to all jobs costing half the amount or any amount etc .

Seems the Govt has changed the goalposts.

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What on earth is Mr P on about?

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 02 December 2012 08:19 PM
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If my memory serves me well, the NAPIT warranty was originally to be backed by Zurich Certification Limited, which was purchased by the NICEIC and on the 30 Sep 2004 the name was changed to NIC Certification Ltd. in anticipation that the NICEIC would offer its electrician customers a warranty that could be purchased in units of ten for resale by the electricians in turn to their own customers in single units, being one per part P notification.

However NIC Certification ceased trading shortly after the start of part P on the 31st March 2005, despite having traded since the 11th July 1901 as The Army,Navy,& General Assurance Association Limited and Eagle Star Certification Limited.

It is interesting to note that NAPIT has a director who was on the board on this NICEIC company and who is now a director of NAPIT Certification Ltd founded after the NIC Certification Ltd was wound up.

You have to remember it is a very small world.

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 02 December 2012 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by: sparkingchip


You have to remember it is a very small world.


Andy



Well it's not that small, it's just that most of it is covered in water!

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 02 December 2012 08:31 PM
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Small enough for me to have had a conversation with the director mentioned at a show in the last year where we talked about the Green deal and Ventilation schemes
 02 December 2012 08:31 PM
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I do remember that when Part P was announced we had a choice of scheme providers to enrol with.
it being :-

Niceic

Elecsa

ECA

BSI

Zurich

I spoke to all 5 before making my choice and each of them gave broadly similar responses to my questions.

Then very shortly before Part P actually came in Zurich disappeared and Napit appeared.

Seems that`s now been explained

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Edited: 03 December 2012 at 02:44 AM by ebee
 02 December 2012 10:46 PM
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If it really has to come down to who has the longest member contest, LOL Elecsa are actually not that bad, the LABC (the organisation) have often commented on how little problem they have with them and their members, I can only speak for a few LBA's but they do cause little problems and I have always found them professional and very low on the complaint front, their members do notify regularly and we dont have to chase them much, NAPIT do come a close second but I wont comment on the others for now.

As far as the standard of work is concerned I have not seen a lot of difference in the schemes that requires me to make any adverse comments, most do a good job and satisfy the needs of their customer whether registered with a scheme or not.

Sometimes the hot sun can affect your reasoning at times.

I dont know about ELECSO Electrificaciones Socuéllamos though are they a new scheme. LOL

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Edited: 02 December 2012 at 10:57 PM by rocknroll
 02 December 2012 10:55 PM
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The quality of work has nothing to do with what scheme a company is in. It's down to the the business itself and there knowledge and application of the personnel

Nic part p notification includes an insurance back up at a cost of 1.50
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