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Topic Title: Pet shower in utility room
Topic Summary: Does Section 701 apply
Created On: 19 November 2012 08:02 PM
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 20 November 2012 04:21 PM
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Probably Ebee - - but if the owner is also soaking wet then the shock risk still goes up

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 20 November 2012 06:23 PM
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peteTLM

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lets not forget the bit about it actually being a working shower in the first place, with sockets next to it.

The fact the owner says its only for the dog doesnt cut it.

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 20 November 2012 08:52 PM
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alancapon

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Originally posted by: vesuvius
. . . even with training (basically you telling them what they can and cannot do) a person/persons may be deemed competant. . .

I would be interested what your insurers say about you judging a customer (either domestic or commercial) "competent", although I can have a pretty good guess, and I suspect there is a "£" or many involved, especially if something happens later!

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 20 November 2012 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by: peteTLM
lets not forget the bit about it actually being a working shower in the first place . . .

I would have to agree. It is a room containing a shower. End of story!

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 20 November 2012 11:49 PM
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Thanks for the replies

For all of those concerned about the mutts, the owner has agreed not to have the shower in utility room, the dogs will have a cold shower outside from the garden tap - poor dogs sounds the cruelty to me .

Daft thing is that there is a socket outside about 2meters away.

Just to pick up on some earlier posts, the nearest socket in the utility room was just over 2m away - not "next to". There are no extraneous conductive parts, all plumbing is plastic - but its all academic now.
 21 November 2012 04:12 PM
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skup53

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Has anyone considered how the rules apply to shower heads in hair dressing salons. The case in question is similar is it not? With one exception the salon clients do not usually shake their own wet hair vigorously for all present to get soaked
 21 November 2012 04:26 PM
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Are the clients or staff wet or naked - it's a simple way to determine if the installation has a higher than normal shock risk.

If you read the definitions you should see backwash sinks and shower heads don't constitute a special location - they are no more dangerous than a water tap.

Sound engineering practice would suggest both a bit of local equipotential bonding and 30mA RCD protection to the sockets and mirror lighting circuits - but that's just an engineering judgement call based more on damaged appliance flexes than any specific shock risk due to the water

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