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Topic Title: IET Code of Practice Webinar: 2pm today
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Created On: 14 November 2012 02:13 PM
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 14 November 2012 02:13 PM
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AJJewsbury

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Did anyone manage to watch this?

I thought I was registered, even received a confirmation e-mail, but the "Watch the live webinar." link just takes me to a page that implies I haven't registered...

- Andy.
 14 November 2012 02:16 PM
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AJJewsbury

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Ah working now...
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 14 November 2012 02:54 PM
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gordon.s1

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YES, started late 14 mins. runs for 10 mins, poor Q&A and then say they are having technical problems !.
WOW what a poorly sorted bunch.
Was it a waste of time, YES.


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 14 November 2012 02:59 PM
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widdler

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That chat box is tiny, a wasted opportunity if you ask me.
 14 November 2012 02:59 PM
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AJJewsbury

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It wasn't just me the (judging by the chat comments)!
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 14 November 2012 03:03 PM
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widdler

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I got to watch the whole thing.
Started a couple of minutes late, the problem is you cant deliver a webinar just saying ''this is like this now'' without reflecting on peoples questions giving them a better understanding of how it really effects their practices. We all have different installation sizes and types and the DH from one place to another changes significantly.
 14 November 2012 03:05 PM
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AJJewsbury

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If anyone else missed it, the whole things seems to be available here: http://scpro.streamuk.com/uk/player/?g=0a066f8 (I'm not sure if you need to have registered to see it). - Skip the first 2:50 - it's just Richard sat in a darkened room!
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 14 November 2012 04:01 PM
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LOL The poor guy looked remarkedly fed up and I thought he was going to nod off at one stage, I cant work out whether this was the result of a liquid lunch or the whole subject of appliance testing which can have that effect on you most of the time.

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 14 November 2012 05:28 PM
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Lol, I think he did a very good job, considering he looked as though he was about to fall off his chair......

I'm glad to see the dividing line between fixed equipment and portable equipment has been cleared up. since most kitchen equipment that really needs checking is often fixed, particularly in both rented and commercial installations.

So 'the next date' is now left with the duty holder, who by the way will, in most cases, not be electrically competent, which opens the door for the insurance companies to provide their established intervals.
Not such a bad idea since they veer towards over caution and will probably mean that us testers will be doing PAT every 6 months as opposed to every 12 - 24 months.

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 14 November 2012 07:11 PM
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Pacific

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If the third edition was written so badly why was it published in the first place, are they going to come back in 5 years and say the fourth was a load of tripe too

Why does he keep referring to PIR s and PAT testing, needs to update his terminology
 14 November 2012 07:12 PM
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 14 November 2012 08:09 PM
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batteryb0y

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Insurance companies (as per the ABI) are supposed to look at reducing onerous testing but, despite this, many are still insisting on annual testing in their policies. They also don't like extension leads in offices despite this COP (and Richard in his webinar) now saying they are not a problem if maintained (which I agree with). Maybe the IET could put pressure on the ABI else the Duty Holder may determine a testing frequency by risk assessment only to be told they have got it wrong in the event of a claim
 15 November 2012 04:07 PM
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AJJewsbury

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It's bee a (long) while since I did any PAT work, but I recall having difficulties physically locating equipment that was on the register on occasions (e.g. someone had taken it off site, or put it away in a forgotten cupboard somewhere, decided it was broken and thrown it away etc) - so of course it missed out on being inspected/tested. Sometimes of course that item might 'turn up' again though.

That begs the question: how do people tell whether it's safe to use? The old 'DO NOT USE AFTER' date allowed people on the shop floor to work that out, but if the new CoP now says to label with the tested date only, we seem to have lost that safeguard.

For sure it should be marked on the register as "lost" or similar, but I wouldn't expect ordinary users to consult the register everytime they go to use a piece of equipment.

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 15 November 2012 08:28 PM
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Thanks for the link Andy

Its ok to use an extension lead in an office if its maintained yet you are required to run a high integrity earth cable on a ring circuit that already has 2 other connections to the MET whether its maintained or not. Either one is over the top or the other is a potentialy weak link at point of use.

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 15 November 2012 10:41 PM
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It gets better... I was talking to chap today who seems to think that many PATing is done on a sample basis which is why they are able to under cut down to 65p per item !

I wonder what the 4th ed says about sampling, if anything?

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