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Topic Summary: building control dont allow white
Created On: 11 October 2012 08:49 AM
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 11 October 2012 08:49 AM
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So a work mate asked me if white T&E was not allowed to be used in domestic homes under part P, This was because a friend of his was told by BC inspector to remove what he had installled in white and replace with grey. Its a new one to on me, I thought you could use 3 core flex if you wanted.
 11 October 2012 09:04 AM
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what complete rubbish. The only white T and E you can get is LSOH, which would be an improvement if anything (if not for the person installing it)

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 11 October 2012 09:12 AM
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Maybe the building inspector turned up to find the Electrician's 'van' had four legs

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 11 October 2012 09:37 AM
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I'd have thought as long as the inner conductors are brown/blue there would be no problem, (maybe they're not!)

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 11 October 2012 10:07 AM
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So when he asked the building inspecter under what reg he couldn't install the white cable, what was the reply?
 11 October 2012 11:59 AM
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So when he asked the building inspecter under what reg he couldn't install the white cable, what was the reply


The chap was a diyer and didnt know any better so ripped it out and replaced with grey. Maybe it was old white with red and black cores I'll enquire.
 11 October 2012 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by: peteTLM
The only white T and E you can get is LSOH, which would be an improvement if anything (if not for the person installing it)

If havn't used this stuff yet, is it difficult to strip?
 11 October 2012 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by: zeeper
Maybe it was old white with red and black cores I'll enquire.

Still ok if identified at points of termination with sleeving to new colour standard.
 11 October 2012 04:19 PM
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Depends on the manufacturer, some of the pvc i've used recently seems to be glued to the copper
 11 October 2012 04:23 PM
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Excuses are you talking about 6242B cable, should be putting it in not pulling it out.



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 11 October 2012 05:34 PM
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i put a load of it in that my customer had purchased for his job, it was as stiff as anything, a right pain to install.

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 11 October 2012 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by: zeeper

So a work mate asked me if white T&E was not allowed to be used in domestic homes under part P, This was because a friend of his was told by BC inspector to remove what he had installled in white and replace with grey. Its a new one to on me, I thought you could use 3 core flex if you wanted.


I've not had any experience of building control refusing to issue certification, but may I ask if you know whether there was any documentation issued with regards to this situation, ie, was there a notice of required improvement given? From the information given in the post, if this sheath colour was the only issue (which is clearly tosh) I would suggest that your friends friend requests the details of the inspectors Professional indemnity insurers with a view to lodge a claim, as they may have been caused unneccessary loss of time and materials by improper advice.
 11 October 2012 07:34 PM
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The only problem white cable dates back to about 1988\89 when Wickes or BuildersMate as the trade arm was called,sold white cable that was not upto British standard and was a bit iffy, alledgedley.I was told because I was rewiring my house with it at the time and when I went back for a couple of mor reels,Iwas given the info by the store as it had been removed from its shelves.
Any white low smoke stuff installed now is a better cable than the standard grey PVC.
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 11 October 2012 07:49 PM
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Hi antric, from my understanding the white/grey thing just used to be one of those area dependant things - in some areas white T+E was the norm, and in other areas grey was most commonly used with white being considered DIYish, though I think nowadays new white cable = LSOH, though theres surely some old stock about to confuse the issue, either way the colour of T+E's sheath shouldn't be an issue for a building inspector assuming it's a domestic installation.
 11 October 2012 07:52 PM
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Originally posted by: antric2



Any white low smoke stuff installed now is a better cable than the standard grey PVC.


I don't neccessarily agree that its better in a domestic situation, hopefully by the time an inferno is raging enough to burn the cables, the occupants will have evacuated!
 11 October 2012 08:38 PM
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Originally posted by: weirdbeard















I don't neccessarily agree that its better in a domestic situation, hopefully by the time an inferno is raging enough to burn the cables, the occupants will have evacuated!


Evening Weirdbeard,
Yes, ,I agree for a normal domestic house white smoke cable might be a bit of overkill compared to cost nowadays.
Anyway,the couple of hundred metres of the Wickes white stuff I temporarily fitted in my still current house, is due a look at and I suppose I had better finish off the rewire I started then in1988
I wonder if I could still use the 15th cert for the job......only kidding!!
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 11 October 2012 11:11 PM
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The expression 'twin and skin' would not apply. More like, twin in a hard plastic extrusion a bit like a bomb shelter'

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 13 October 2012 05:55 PM
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All cable sold locall to me (brighton area) was white sheathed BASEC approved I must add, from when I started work mid seventies up until harmonisation (did not know it came in other colours).
I did a job in brum a long time ago and arranged delivery from CEF in Reditch. Was surprise when cable delivered was grey sheathed.
When I asked at my local wholesaler I was informed that "all T&E is grey up north". I just accepted it as one of those strange things that adds colour to our work life.
On harmonisation, all the local cable started to come in grey sheath. Again I assumed that it was done on purpose to allow visual identification of old from new harmonised cable at inspection time. I also thought/assumed that up north you had all gone white sheathed. Just goes to prove that you should never assume......
 14 October 2012 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by: mistercohen
I did a job in brum a long time ago and arranged delivery from CEF in Reditch. Was surprise when cable delivered was grey sheathed.

When I asked at my local wholesaler I was informed that "all T&E is grey up north". I just accepted it as one of those strange things that adds colour to our work life.

I think it's called the North-South divide.
I don't know where 'The North' starts, Newport Pagnell perhaps.
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