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Topic Title: lighting circuit actually wired in t&e but with no continuity
Topic Summary: seeking opinions
Created On: 23 July 2012 12:45 PM
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 23 July 2012 12:45 PM
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psychicwarrior

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bearing in mind not a full test done as yet to see what accessories may be connected to each other:

A small lighting circuit (~9 switches and lighting points) but across 4 floors in a student house, wired in t&e, has no continuity at lighting points or switches back to the met (though CPC is present at the accessories). Probably a few junction boxes somewhere will exist too.

I am interested in your opinions on moving to the 'all class 2 fix', using nylon screws, rcbo, notices on DB etc please if not feasible (for whatever) to reestablish the cpc/earth.

Most of the accessories are already plastic (only 2 metal lighting units to change); the back boxes are metal of course (some have nylon lugs).

My opinion is that this does not rectify the issue where the circuit was originally wired to have a CPC and subsequent work has rendered it ineffective. Without an RCBO addition, a fault to earth may create a voltage on the CPC across parts maybe connected together and whilst it may be accessories are insulated to touch, it seems to me to be an cop-out remedy, but is there regulation to say it cant be done.

If it were originally designed without a CPC, I may think differently to the idea.

I do see posts on here and elsewhere where class 2 is chosen as a fix, but in this case what's the general view on it?

Thanks for your comments (if any).
Chris
 23 July 2012 01:24 PM
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AJJewsbury

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Sounds like one or two places I've visited. (One had all the c.p.c.s disconnected at the light fittings and neat little squares of cellotape over the switch screws - and the c.p.c. was still live )

I think you'd stumble on 412.1.3/412.2.3.2 which requires a c.p.c. to every point, unless the installation is under effective supervision. (I've seen what students, especially student engineers, can do to student accommodation).

I've a feeling there used to be an objection to relying on non-conductive screws for class-2 insulation too (something about a loose screw being replaced with a metal one, not realising the reason for a plastic one being there in the first place, but I think that's not BS 7671). There still remains the problem of "live wall" with steel back boxes.

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 23 July 2012 03:29 PM
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I think there is a world of difference between a circuit without a CPC and a circuit with floating CPCs.
Floating CPCs present a potential danger to whatever and wherever they run.
 23 July 2012 05:42 PM
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peteTLM

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id try to establish to what points from the CU they are earthed, and how the remainder can be interconnected. Can a tiny bit of slack not be puled down to achieve a connection?

IMHO the 'all class 2' option is a work around on a old, old installation where the owners simply will not pay to have it rewired, or cannot have the disruption (elderly foe example), not an excuse for a landlord to have a sub standard installation.

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