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Topic Title: Outrageous SWA problems.... BUT...
Topic Summary: am I allowed to complete these works? Duh!
Created On: 28 June 2012 03:12 PM
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 28 June 2012 03:12 PM
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Hi.

Working on a HUGE modernised house in New Malden over the past few weeks... I am now on to sorting out the lighting problems. I have changed quite a few transformers and the way the JBs were connected had me worrying about what the rest of the wiring was like as the JBs are sooo badly connected!

Anyways... when I was looking around the CCU I noticed a double gang switch lower down and then I saw the cable that was going away from it was an SWA. There isnt any glands / shrouds etc and what they had done was to connect an earth cable to it and then taped this up around the end of the SWA... phew! I was wondering what the external wiring was like? So I went out to see the external garden lights and found a Wickes DSO screwed to a large tree and the SWA was terminated the same way... also the several garden lights too... you could just pull the cable up and down from the lights and the DSO! The 2 gang switch operates the large garden pond and the other one does the garden lighting, about 7 or 8 of them. I haven't looked at the pond yet as I am going back on Tuesday next week and so this brings my questions to mind........

There must be about 10 cables going out so around 20 ends to terminate, god knows what I'll find in the pond, and obviously internal and external glands and shrouds need to be fixed... the reoccurring problem that I have is am I allowed to do this? The way I look at it is it could be seen as an 'emergency' set of works. Any thoughts as to whether I am allowed to do this? The thing is I really don't want to go down the road of joining NAPIT as I had had enough of the NIC when I was with them!

The other problem that I have is... how deep are the SWA's buried? I would doubt they are deep enough!! Seeing their standard of work on this up-dated very modern house so far is very alarming .... AND... when the client asked me to see why about 4 LV down lights would not sit flush with the ceiling in the kitchen, theres about 50 of them in there, I thought... mmmm? What will I find here? Well.... I have never seen anything like it!! I took 2 fittings down and you'd never believe what I found! The 'sparks' kept the lights in straight lines... and, hahahahaha,..... what they had done was to drill the joists almost full width and some 8 inches up into the ceiling joists so that the fittings would fit in, fire rated fittings that is,.... and the first one that I took down had one of the side springs cut off because they just didnt have enough room even when the joists were drilled out to fix in place. I told the client and showed him... but he wouldnt let me drill new holes in the ceiling and reposition them... and looking at the other lights I could see that around a third of them at least need sorting out! How outrageous is that also this must have reduced the strength of the ceiling, both ends of the joists, and it's a big one too!!

So;
1; Am I allowed to do this work?
2; What to do about the lack of depth to the external SWAs?
3; The Wickes weathered / waterproof DSO... cant just be allowed to screw that to a tree!!
4; The pond? I can guarantee theres a problem there too! But I feel that I am not allowed to do this either?

regards....

Tom

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 28 June 2012 03:36 PM
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Stop worrying Tom - whatever you do is going to be about 1000% improvement.

Just crack on mate - you won't make bonus otherwise -

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 28 June 2012 03:39 PM
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Ahhh.. OMS... you always say that to me!! Hahaha!! I do worry a?

BUT my dear fiend... I suspect its a notifiable set of works..... ahhh!

regards....

Tom

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 28 June 2012 04:22 PM
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sounds like maintenance to me Tom. I would note the downlight/joist problem on your paperwork. Ass covering in case there is a problem on lights that you have refitted.

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 28 June 2012 06:42 PM
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BUT my dear fiend... I suspect its a notifiable set of works..... ahhh!


As above, it's just maintenance isn't it Tom ?

Don't try to understand 'em - just tie 'em down and gland 'em -

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 28 June 2012 07:11 PM
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Sockets on trees ,no problem as long as the IP rating is suitable and cables are glanded correctly,plenty of councils have them for tree lights etc.Just leave a tad of slack to allow for growage

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 30 June 2012 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by: aligarjon

sounds like maintenance to me Tom. I would note the downlight/joist problem on your paperwork. Ass covering in case there is a problem on lights that you have refitted.



Gary


Duh! This is what I told them last week... the ones that I have put back now have my name on them...!!!

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Originally posted by: OMS

BUT my dear fiend... I suspect its a notifiable set of works..... ahhh!




As above, it's just maintenance isn't it Tom ?



Don't try to understand 'em - just tie 'em down and gland 'em -

Regards

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soon they'll be riding high n wide... my testers calculatin... my client will be waitin... waitin to see if they will work????

Ye-Ha!

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Edited: 30 June 2012 at 10:51 AM by tomgunn
 30 June 2012 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by: dg66

Sockets on trees ,no problem as long as the IP rating is suitable and cables are glanded correctly,plenty of councils have them for tree lights etc.Just leave a tad of slack to allow for growage


On trees? Wouldnt have thought that!! Thanks... obviously I'll double check the tree for its IP rating.... for this I will have to look through the internet as I think that they have many branches everywhere?!

Thanks for the great feedback, as usual, chaps!

regards...

Keep smilin'!

Tom

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