Advised at scrap merchants today that as from 23rd June 2012, ID in the form of a drivers license or passport will be required before payment is made.

Prices down a bit on last year, £1.10 kg for unstripped T&E.

My local scrappy has required customers to have an account fopr some time now. makes it less hassle really as when you take your ticket form the scales to the office they type in the van reg or name and all your details are already there for the printed paperwork.

Only got 80p per kg for my old cable yesterday.

John

John do you use EMR?

what a pain. another intrusion from the state.
another law / regulation that the older generation are imposing on the the younger generation.

Edited: 21 June 2012 at 12:05 AM by SKElectrical

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I don't know what you mean.
Unless you are suggesting only young people trade in scrap and only old people miss the lead on their roof, the stolen copper from the substation or the manhole cover in the road.
I think the change is long overdue.
At least it will make stolen metal that much more awkward to fence.

Actually, it is from the Scrap Dealers Act of 1964 that these rules are being enforced.
That states: "The said particulars, in the case of scrap metal falling within subsection (1)(b) of this section, are -

(a)the description and weight of the scrap metal;

(b)the date of processing or, as the case may be, despatch of the scrap metal, and, if processed, the process applied;

(c)in the case of scrap metal despatched on sale or exchange, the full name and address of the person to whom the scrap metal is sold or with whom it is exchanged, and the consideration for which it is sold or exchanged;


So it has always been the Law that the details of the seller have to be recorded, and that a description of what they have sold be recorded. Clearly, scrap dealers were not doing this, and with the current amount of theft, "something must be done", so a new addition of 'photo ID' has been brought in, which is not really much of an addition to the 47 yo Law.

Alan.

Nothing wrong with this, nothing to hide, nothing to worry about. EMr gave me 1.60/kg last week unstripped...
Just be careful with half a tonne in the back without your waste carrying licence, they can really do you on this, got stopped last week, the look on the coppers face when I pulled out the licence....:-)
80p/kg John? was it old network cable or something? EMR brum has 3 or four grades, must admit, this sounds like the price for network/alarm or old SWA with the steel still on it.

It was mostly twin and earth in pvc. I was getting more than that for armoured earlier this year. Prices round here (Worcestershire) never seem thart great. I had some bright wire too and only got £3.80 per kg for that. Copper has dropped on the commodities market quite a lot lately.

Can you elaborate a bit on that BigRed.
Why do you need a license if you are bringing scrap to a scrapyard; not as your main living but as an occasional earner?

Seems there are new rules concerning the waste carriers licensing, I may be wrong but the link below seems to me to suggest that if you are only carrying pipe or cable 'off-cuts' and don't carry construction waste you only need to register as a lower tier waste carrier which is free, and indefinite as opposed to £154 for 3 years upper tier registration.


http://www.environment-agency....o_should_register.pdf


Costs:


http://www.environment-agency....k/business/127720.aspx

Let me re-phrase then. The older generation making life harder for the younger, ie. they did not grow up with these rules being enforced, and having enjoyed the benefits, now decide that it's time to enforce them.

Out of interest just what do you think the punishment is for stealing say a memorial plaque? or a church roof? the problem lies therein.

Let me re-phrase then. The older generation making life harder for the younger, ie. they did not grow up with these rules being enforced, and having enjoyed the benefits, now decide that it's time to enforce them.

Out of interest just what do you think the punishment is for stealing say a memorial plaque? or a church roof? the problem lies therein.

We had an interesting twist here in Canada, the scrappy's now have radiation monitors.
A contractor who was doing some HV gear for us, told me of his friday.
one of the sparkeys dropped of some old 15kv gear from the local university, then went off on his 2wks holiday.
Radiation alarm goes off on the scan, plod called in. Shut's down the airport, so the poor sparky cant escape. Pulls him from his flight, and given the 3rd degree.
Turns out some old ceramic arc chutes from the 60's naturally contain minerals that have trace amounts of radiation. not enough to harm.

And a fun time was had by all-not.

Derrick

You're on your own with that way of thinking, first of all they have to be caught. If there is no market for thieves, they'll stop stealing; it's much easier to have the scrap yards held responsible, with hefty penalties for offenders, they're the real problem, it takes two to tango! Another avenue for the thieves, is the organised crime, with container loads of scrap, luxury cars and car parts etc., being shipped off to places like China and Africa, how much of that goes on?

Regards

I don't see it like that.
On the contrary IME it is older people like myself that most resent the legislation that comes with a "nanny state" far more so than younger folk.

Unfortunately during that time the police have become very remote from society so that there is no one to enforce the law on the streets.
As a result it is the law-abiding who have to take the problems of lawlessness and greater legislation while the wrongdoers don't care and are free to do exactly what they like.

Wierdbeards links say it all.

Is this not just a way - also - of HM Revenue finding out what more we don't declare?

So we buy cable, make some off cuts (and pick up a few other bits and bobs along the way), put it in a bag, take it to the scrappy, sell it not for profit, declare the income and you just need to register as a low user.

Sounds almost sensible!

You could always just find an "itinerant metal trader", and he'll pay you cash for your cable. He'll probably give you a good price as he'll be grateful for something to hide all the memorial plaques under...

http://www.letsrecycle.com/new...er-cash-ban-exemption

My local non-ferrous scrap metal dealer (Brighton) has decided to close the business instead.

Last week I paid 4.60 per kilo for scrap copper, Wolverhampton area (Birmingham)