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Topic Title: City and Guilds 2391, 2392
Topic Summary: Does Anyone know When These Exams are Being Phased Out
Created On: 15 September 2011 08:01 PM
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 15 September 2011 08:01 PM
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keithredpath

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Does anyone know when the City and Guilds Inspection and Testing Exams will cease in their present form?

If you fail the December exam, will you be able to get a resit in the New Year?

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 15 September 2011 09:07 PM
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nsambrook

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The 2391 will effectively be gone by Christmas (December 1st really). Resits are going on until well into the new year for the 2391, more if there is the demand for them. The 2392 will change very little from what it currently is, I suspect just updated to the new amendment mainly.

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 15 September 2011 10:50 PM
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prtadko

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what is the 2391 changing to?
 16 September 2011 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by: prtadko

what is the 2391 changing to?


I should imagine a watered down version,to increase pass rates

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 16 September 2011 05:44 PM
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There is some information on the C&G website, but no course hand books yet.
http://www.cityandguilds.com/d.../FAQs_v1_July_2011.pdf

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 16 September 2011 10:08 PM
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ant1uk

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Keith

What do you think about this? I think don't fix what's not broken.
 17 September 2011 08:44 AM
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robark

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I spoke to a lecturer at college yesterday, and he said they are not getting rid of the 2391, just adding on some more exams to it. I am starting my 2391 this week.
 17 September 2011 09:01 AM
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ant1uk

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Take a look at the link above from KJ, On page 6 it says that the 2391 is been replaced by these:

o 2394 Level 3 Initial Verification of Electrical Installations
o 2395 Level 3 Periodic Inspection, Testing and Reporting of Electrical Installations
o 2396 Level 4 Design of Electrical Installations

How long will the 2391 qualifications remain?
2391 closes for new registrations on 31 December 2011, with a final certification date of 31 December 2013. Dated entry examinations will continue to be available until the summer of 2012, exact final date of the 301 and 303 examinations to be confirmed.
 17 September 2011 07:36 PM
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jcm256

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Only out of interest, what happened to 2357. Therefore, you need two C & G 1 to verify and another one to carry out condition reports

http://www.electricalqualifications.co.uk/cg2357.php

What about the third EIC that is required to be handed to the client where applicable, which one covers that.
To complement the above statement please
See September 2011 Building Services & Environmental Engineer" A guide to Electrical Testing"
Page 30 to 31 (You need to expand to 100% to read).

http://content.yudu.com/A1tnwv...ry.php%2Faid%2F2554%2F


http://www.inbalance-energy.co...0of%20PV%20Systems.pdf
 17 September 2011 08:41 PM
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ant1uk

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getting rid of the 2391 and splitting it into 2 courses sounds a bit of a con to me. Imagine how much this is going cost to do 2 courses?

Well I am glad I done the 2391 years ago because I certainly would not be doing the new set up its a con.
 17 September 2011 09:00 PM
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daveparry1

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Well I am glad I done the 2391 years ago
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 18 September 2011 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by: ant1uk

getting rid of the 2391 and splitting it into 2 courses sounds a bit of a con to me.


Where did you glean this bit of incorrect information? Sources please?
 18 September 2011 09:28 AM
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nsambrook

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Originally posted by: briggsy6
Where did you glean this bit of incorrect information? Sources please?


It is on a FAQ about the 17th amendment and its impact on electrical courses published by the City and Guilds here (page 6): http://www.cityandguilds.com/d...FAQs_v1_July_2011.pdf

What makes you think it's incorrect, do you have other sources telling you differently?

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 18 September 2011 01:30 PM
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ant1uk

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Originally posted by: briggsy6

Originally posted by: ant1uk

getting rid of the 2391 and splitting it into 2 courses sounds a bit of a con to me.


Where did you glean this bit of incorrect information? Sources please?


It's on the C+G website here: http://www.cityandguilds.com/d.../FAQs_v1_July_2011.pdf page 6
 18 September 2011 04:05 PM
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ant1uk and nsambrook:

There is no mention of splitting 2391 into two separate courses. The proposed 2394 2395 & 2396 equate to the current 2392, 2391-10 & 2391-20.
 18 September 2011 04:22 PM
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prtadko

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by all accounts the 2392 at level 2 is staying.

2391 is being split in 2

so

2394 is initial verification Level 3
2395 is periodics level 3

then 2396 will be design now at level 4
 18 September 2011 08:27 PM
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robark

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Whats the difference between the 2391-10 and the 2391-20???.
 18 September 2011 10:57 PM
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ant1uk

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briggsy

All I am saying is that the current 2391 covers all types of installation (New or periodic) the new set of courses seem to split them.

prtadko gets what I'm saying
 18 September 2011 11:00 PM
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ant1uk

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Originally posted by: robark

Whats the difference between the 2391-10 and the 2391-20???.


one is actual testing the other is design.
 19 September 2011 08:50 PM
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jcm256

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o 2394 Level 3 Initial Verification of Electrical Installations
o 2395 Level 3 Periodic Inspection, Testing and Reporting of Electrical Installations
o 2396 Level 4 Design of Electrical Installations


To continue: Will the above qualifications effect Scotland but surly it will have an effect on the defined scope scheme where the plumber, wall tile, or kitchen fitter will need the 2394 Level 3 in order to issue an EIC for his electrical work.



Level A: The requirements for an enterprise the scope of whose work includes the design, installation, inspection and testing of electrical installation work that is associated with dwellings and is intended to operate at low or extra-low voltage - also known as full scope; and

Level B: The requirements for an enterprise the scope of whose work is limited to the design, installation, inspection and testing of defined electrical installation work that is associated with dwellings, is intended to operate at low or extra-low voltage, and is undertaken in connection with, or ancillary to some other work - also known as defined scope.
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