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Topic Summary: Confused. Should I?
Created On: 03 July 2011 10:54 PM
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 30 September 2012 11:09 PM
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As this post started some time ago you may discover that several forum members have gained the NVQ3 in the last year and so can give you very sound advice.

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 01 October 2012 08:03 AM
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i need to get my nvq asap


To go the route I did with quickstep, you need to pull your finger out . registration ends this year.

You need to have city and guild 2330 level 3 or 2360 part 2

First thing to keep in mind is you will need to take pictures of your installing 3 different types of wiring systems.

They consist of:
1: Ensure safe site working
2: Diagnose and correct electrical faults
3: Provide technical and functional information
4: Maintain a safe and healthy working environment

You also do 4 specialist units:

5: Prepare to install wiring systems, wiring enclosures and equipment
6: Install wiring systems, wiring enclosures and equipment
7: Connect wiring systems and equipment using safe and approved methods
8: Inspect, test and commission an electrical installation


Each of the above has to be covered 3 times with pictures (3x8=24) and a witness name plus phone number. your need to answer 7 or 8 questions each time plus collect evidence like, job order or email request from client,material purchase order plus delivery note,write out risk assessment,written method statements and EIC or MEIWC.They may also ask extra questions, I was asked to write up how to test a ring circuit.

I wouldnt pay the extra for the site visits. Each job you do will cover many of the above.
You scan in the collected evidence and pictures and then upload them to the quickstep web site. Anwser a few questions 12 weeks later you got an NVQ3.
I think the main problem people have with it this is you need to be carrying out electrical installation work to get the CG2356. Your not be able to carry out imaginary work as you need a witness name and number and all the delivery notes for the materials and pictures of you doing the work.

You will need to do different types on wiring systems. I think I did , PVC conduit with singles,PVC trunking,SWA plus twin and earth and that was enough to cover all the install criteria.

Like I said I finish mine in 8 weeks, its not hard you just got to collect all the evidence and answer a few questions on each install.

IS it worth doing, I did mine to future proof myself a bit and I think its money well spent.

Edited: 01 October 2012 at 08:28 AM by zeeper
 01 October 2012 09:36 AM
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Just to add a little more to Zeeper's explanation

The assessor will look for
1/ Sufficiency - have you got enough information

2/ Range - Have you covered all required types of wiring methods

3/ Validity - Is the information provided appropriate to the NVQ electrical requirements

4/ Authenticity - Is it your own work

Here's what City and Guilds gives as guidance.

or more appropriately 2356 NVQ

Legh

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Edited: 01 October 2012 at 09:44 AM by Legh
 03 October 2012 09:00 PM
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i just signed up with XS training, they were the cheapest i could find at present time, i've got 90% of the key critical sorted , its just the site diary thats doing my head in, 3 site diaries!!!

i am thinking now maybe i should have gone with quickstep and paid £1400 for the total scheme where the assessor does all the work for you
 03 October 2012 09:30 PM
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Just as a heads up, a recent City and Guilds external verifier visit stated that you should have 5 years experience POST qualification (meaning 2330 L2 and L3) if you are to go what is known as the "practising operative" route for the NVQ. If you don't have this, then you should have the AM2 which covers four of the critical units of the NVQ. I'm not saying I agree with this, but it has made me slightly re-evaluate adults starting on the NVQ and the advice I give them at the beginning of the course. The C&G are all over the place at the moment with their quals and don't seem to agree on any one standard hence me being slightly pessimistic in the advice I give.

I am not sure what scheme you are doing, but I do have some stuff that might be helpful in completing the NVQ, feel free to give me a shout if you want.

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 03 October 2012 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by: thesnowman

i just signed up with XS training, they were the cheapest i could find at present time, i've got 90% of the key critical sorted , its just the site diary thats doing my head in, 3 site diaries!!!

i am thinking now maybe i should have gone with quickstep and paid £1400 for the total scheme where the assessor does all the work for you


Its not such a bad idea to keep a site diary, particularly if you are self-employed.
I once attended a court where the solicitors presented the 'evidence pack' which included letters, statements, and various other documentation. The whole package was no different than a NVQ portfolio.
It appears that these chaps do this on a regular basis. Two or three times a week !

Oh by the way we won, but that's another story.....

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 04 October 2012 09:20 AM
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3 site diaries


yeah I dont remember doing that with quickstep, I just upload my stuff and ticked it off against the criteria. The quickstep people verify what I up load was correct.

i am thinking now maybe i should have gone with quickstep and paid £1400 for the total scheme where the assessor does all the work for you


I far as I can remember, if you paid extra they did 2 site visits, took pictures and helped with the evidence collection. I couldnt see the point in that, I just got me work mates to help with the pics and witnessing. I think I only ever spoke to them 3 times on the phone and one of those was to enroll. Maybe its changed a bit since I did it, but it was only last year when I did it.
 04 October 2012 09:50 PM
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Originally posted by: zeeper




yeah I dont remember doing that with quickstep, I just upload my stuff and ticked it off against the criteria. The quickstep people verify what I up load was correct.



you didnt need to write up any explaination/essay on what you was doing? all you had to provide was pics

did you not have to do a write up for the performance objectives

doing my head in, all this write up thats required

the format is aimed at kids, you have 1 question repeated 10 times over , worded in different ways, thats just typical of C+G

any tips you got to speed up the whole process of filling this in

Edited: 04 October 2012 at 10:13 PM by thesnowman
 05 October 2012 09:25 AM
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you didnt need to write up any explaination/essay on what you was doing? all you had to provide was pics


Pictures, risk assessments, method statements, communications with clients,purchase orders, delivery notes, EIC,schedule of inspections, schedule of test results and MEIWC.

did you not have to do a write up for the performance objectives


Yes in the form of 7 or 8 questions, 3 times for 8 units so that would be say, 7x3x8=168 questions.

the format is aimed at kids, you have 1 question repeated 10 times over , worded in different ways, thats just typical of C+G


any tips you got to speed up the whole process of filling this in


I did the same as C&G did for my answers, but just refreshed it each time. BY moving the and's,its and I's around. Once you have done a few its just a copy and paste excercise.

Sometimes you might not cover one of the question when you do a job and this might stop that unit being sign off. What I did, is to say in my answers was that although on this occassion I didnt need to do this if I had needed to, this is what I would have done. And that work a few times it helps with getting the job sheets signed off.Dude you just got to chillax and play the game.
 07 October 2012 09:03 PM
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started loading up my pics and filling in the questions it was kinda overwhelming at first but i seem to be getting the hang of it

just need to email it to my assessor to see if any further work or pictures are needed

i guess once 1 site diary is completed the other 2 should be a breeze since i know what is required and i can copy and paste what i've already typed up

regarding statement witness, were they contacted? by what method, phone or email?
i managed to get some fellow coworkers to be a witness after alot of arm pulling as they were reluctant at first as we are more co-worker than friends ,
 08 October 2012 11:00 AM
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regarding statement witness, were they contacted? by what method, phone or email? i managed to get some fellow coworkers to be a witness after alot of arm pulling as they were reluctant at first as we are more co-worker than friends ,



I was a little nervous about asking people to be witness to start with. But I was surprised that most were interested with what I was doing and got involved by helping take pictures.Of course my work colleagues were very interested in who had paid for the course (ME) LOL. Anyway I used 5 or 6 people as witness and I dont think any were contacted. However I did document each job in great detail.
 11 October 2012 03:10 PM
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what type of photo evidence did you put for unit 306 +307 PO3
ie evidence of you carrying out the full safe isolation procedure

most of my jobs have been new builds, circuits i worked on were dead so there was no need to carrying out the full safe isolation procedure ,

what other evidence can i use to cover this unit?
 11 October 2012 08:03 PM
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for your witness beside getting them to sign your "witness statement" did you require copies of their city and guilds paper etc is it a MUST!?

i'm a little confused cause my assessor is saying that , i'm trying to get in touch with him (with little luck) about this cause some of the people i worked with have moved on to other jobs so getting in touch with ex coworkers could be a problem
 11 October 2012 09:49 PM
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what type of photo evidence did you put for unit 306 +307 PO3 ie evidence of you carrying out the full safe isolation procedure


I had picture of me next to isolator which had been locked off with danger/warning notice attached.

or your witness beside getting them to sign your "witness statement" did you require copies of their city and guilds paper etc is it a MUST!?


My witness didnt sign anything, your course sounds like a pain. sorry but you should have followed my link and saved yourself from this s88t. Not understand why you need a copy of you witness quals. lol. They are just witnessing that it was you who did the work that you claiming for.

'm a little confused cause my assessor is saying that


Sounds like he's a muppet, sorry you picked a s88t course provider.
 12 October 2012 10:25 AM
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wanted to change providers, they would only refund me half of what i paid, so i thought i may as will stick with it! spent enough money to just call myself an electrician already

i think i should have done the full scheme with QS and have an assesor come on site and sign everything off in one go , no paperwork, write ups etc and non of this bull 3 job/ 3 site diaries business

i think my assessor is a muppet too, think its pocket money for him so he's not too bother

i dont get why expert witness qualifications are needed either since they are acting as witness, so a signature should be good enough
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