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Created On: 13 August 2009 02:05 PM
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 13 August 2009 02:05 PM
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sivoodoo

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Hi all,

Is there a pdf or word document of BS7671 available to purchase, I have the big red paper one, for searching an electronic copy would be useful, also I could stick it on my phone enableing me to reel off regulation numbers wherever I am!

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 13 August 2009 02:21 PM
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Angram

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The CD ROM version of BS7671 is still 16th edition.
When will it be available?
After the next amendments?
It will be more expensive.

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 13 August 2009 02:40 PM
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sivoodoo

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Some of the guys on here must have an electronic copy with the speed at which they can dish out the reg numbers
Anyone?

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 13 August 2009 02:55 PM
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AJJewsbury

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I wish!

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 13 August 2009 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by: sivoodoo

Some of the guys on here must have an electronic copy with the speed at which they can dish out the reg numbers


Nope. Where I work we just remember them... much quicker than fiddling about with 'lectronics.

 13 August 2009 06:03 PM
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stureid

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There is no official release of BS7671 in electronic form, unfortunately.

I believe however there is a PDF file knocking around. I believe it is composed of scans from a paper copy but is fully searchable.

I'm not sure whether it would be legal to own and use it even if you have the paper copy, I suspect not.

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 01 September 2009 04:25 PM
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aweaver

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Apologies for not responding earlier to this thread.
There is not currently an electronic version of the 17th Edition of the Wiring Regulations available.
We are looking into the market needs in this area with a view to developing an electronic edition in the future.
If anyone would like to let me know what they would like to see in a electronic/mobile version of the regs I'd be happy to hear this.
Amanda Weaver

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 01 September 2009 04:32 PM
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Inrush

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Amanda

I know there is a hard copy of the 17th edition available; however is the 17th edition also sold in loose leaf format (like the 16th edition was)?
 01 September 2009 04:41 PM
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ACKS72

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Amanda,

Why stop at BS7671, we're in a modern age now so the guidance notes, on site guide, all IEE publications etc should be in electronic form and would be most helpful. something like the ECS technical manual?

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 01 September 2009 05:22 PM
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mark2spark

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I thought that when the 17th edition was still being mused over, there was a draft e copy bouncing around for the likes of Geoff and Bod and a few others to have a read through first?

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 01 September 2009 06:29 PM
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Amanda

"If anyone would like to let me know what they would like to see in a electronic/mobile version of the regs I'd be happy to hear this."

Exactly the same features as on the CD you issued for the 16th complete with the GNs please?

Preferably at a lower cost than the £400? it was at the time with a £100? annual upgrade

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 01 September 2009 07:06 PM
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As I remember, there were quite a few changes made from the draft copy, although a pristine hardback version might be worth something in about 100 years time

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 01 September 2009 07:21 PM
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"although a pristine hardback version might be worth something in about 100 years time"

I hope so!

Unfortunately most copies of any vintage I've seen are in mint condition from being unopened......

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 01 September 2009 09:56 PM
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jcm256

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Amanda,
Electrical Inspections carried out at petrol Filling Stations follow the guidance and reporting methods given in the IP/APEX -2nd Edition (The Blue Book). As the current IEE RED Book sometimes overlap in inspections practically where a petrol installation is attached to a shop or supermarket, the reporting methods are totally different for example the condition codes are thus for filling stations:
'A' SATISFACTORY as far as could be ascertained
'B' SUITABLE FOR CONTINUED USE subject to the defect(s) being remedied before the date(s) shown on the accompanying Inspection and Test Report
C' UNSATISFACTORY Defects observed are of a dangerous nature and require immediate attention.
Could you also :
Make an electronic/mobile version of the blue book reporting form (and make some money for the IET).

The Petrol Filling Station Certificate relates to the electrical installation and other electrical equipment in and around the hazardous areas that are subject to licensing requirements. It makes provision, amongst other things, for recording details and test results of circuits supplying equipment in and adjacent to the hazardous areas, which will be of interest to the Petroleum Enforcing Authority. It does not cover other circuits, associated switchgear and other equipment that do not encroach into the hazardous areas. These must be the subject of separate verification and certification, in accordance with the requirements of BS 7671.
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 02 September 2009 09:49 AM
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ireeve

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Originally posted by: Inrush

Amanda

I know there is a hard copy of the 17th edition available; however is the 17th edition also sold in loose leaf format (like the 16th edition was)?


Sorry, we no longer provide the loose leaf version.
For a complete list of wiring regulations related publications, please see
www.theiet.org/publishing/books/wir-reg/index.cfm

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 02 September 2009 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by: aweaver

If anyone would like to let me know what they would like to see in a electronic/mobile version of the regs I'd be happy to hear this.

Amanda Weaver


Amanda, That is not difficult to answer. All the wiring regulations documents available in hard copy should be available in electronic format, for example pdfs and/or online. They need to be searchable electronically. I do feel it is a significant failure of the IET not to provide this material in electronic form when the IET should be conducting and promoting its business at the forefront of technology. I cannot believe it is that difficult as the documents must aleady exist electronically in order to be published. The IET was able to make the draft 17th edition available publicly as a pdf after all.

I do appreciate there are issues of revenue protection, which would probably take the discussion wider. My personal starting point though is that anything that looks like rules/regulations/standards should be available online in the public domain (eg primary legislation, secondary legislation, british standards, court judgements...) Even if today that would be a step too far, I am convinced there are plenty of people whose working practices call for and would benefit from the wiring regulations etc being available electronically and that they would pay for them.

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 02 September 2009 05:01 PM
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CarlCosby

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I also think it's about time that all the publications should be available in electronic form, although I think it should be cheaper to purchase this way because, as already mentioned, the PDFs must already exist for all the publications to be reproduced.

Making the publications available electronically must also save a considerable amount of money compared to making hard copies, all it would take is to host the publications on this site as a download link, or produce them on CD (which would still be cheaper to make than a book).

Anyway, I would rather have the regs in my iPhone, never getting torn and tattered, just like I have the ESC tech manual on my phone. Electronic is most definately the way forward, think about all the trees that you will save in the process and the carbon emissions reduced too. Think green!!

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 02 September 2009 05:10 PM
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Anyway, I would rather have the regs in my iPhone


Is it me - or is it a generation thing

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 02 September 2009 05:14 PM
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perspicacious

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" Electronic is most definately the way forward, think about all the trees that you will save in the process and the carbon emissions reduced too. Think green!! "

How green is your charger and how green is the process in making a 'phone ?

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 02 September 2009 07:37 PM
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CarlCosby

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Originally posted by: OMS

Anyway, I would rather have the regs in my iPhone




Is it me - or is it a generation thing



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OMS


It's easier and more convenient to have in the phone OMS, the iPhone is very useful and a clever piece of kit! Why don't you get one?

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Carl

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