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Topic Title: Acceptable postings on this forum
Topic Summary: Recent issues over inflammatory postings
Created On: 13 July 2009 01:33 PM
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 03 August 2009 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by: asantu

Just the one 'Tu', thanks and I'm not a new mod.

A stronger moderation presence was requested after recent events, and this has been granted.

The thread referenced was deleted as the original post had been removed by the OP, and therefore the remaining thread served no constructive purpose.

Please try to keep the posts on-topic and without the unnecessary soapbox moments.


Sorry about that a slip on my part!

I think you need to perhaps balance this moderation a bit more sensibly than you are doing at the moment and allow a certain amount of slack, you have to remember that 99% of the electricians and engineers on this forum have been around the block a few times and the sarcasm, criticism, wit and banter is no worse than they have to endure or dish out around a card table in a new-build, a site hut or works canteen, suppression of freedom or expression is not a good thing in my opinion.

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 03 August 2009 04:30 PM
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Thanks for the feedback.

We will be continually reviewing the state of the forums and our approach to the moderation aspects, and will adjust things accordingly.

You should see the list of new member spam posts that I'm deleting every day

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 03 August 2009 05:05 PM
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Fair comment!

And I thank you for your reply

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 04 August 2009 09:32 PM
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Originally posted by: asantu

You should see the list of new member spam posts that I'm deleting every day


A familiar story - I run a car club website with a forum on it. Recent attempts to advertise include a Danish business consultant, a Croatian billiard hall and a natural viagra substitute!

Banning IP addresses is a useful facility I find, if your software supports it!

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 05 August 2009 08:40 AM
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I see your croation billiard hall and natural viagra substitute, and raise you a pheromones and lecture notes sharing site

There are two problems with banning by IP address:

1) We can't tell which IP addresses are dynamically assigned to people, so we might well just be banning legitimate users in future.

2) There is no pattern in the IP addresses being used to register and post. They're pretty well distributed around the world.

However, there are some patterns in their behaviour which I'm quietly monitoring...

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 08 August 2009 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by: asantu

I see your croation billiard hall and natural viagra substitute, and raise you a pheromones and lecture notes sharing site



There are two problems with banning by IP address:



1) We can't tell which IP addresses are dynamically assigned to people, so we might well just be banning legitimate users in future.



2) There is no pattern in the IP addresses being used to register and post. They're pretty well distributed around the world.



However, there are some patterns in their behaviour which I'm quietly monitoring...


Good for you mate! The more monitoring the better in my books... can't get enough of it myself!

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 13 August 2009 08:38 PM
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Hopefully this forum can go back to what it was, now that it appears to be moderated a little tighter.
I certainly haven't enjoyed it lately, as my number of recent posts reflect.

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 25 September 2009 10:14 PM
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Glad to hear it. The last thing a less experienced sparks like me want is this place to turn into the Screwfix forum.
 28 October 2009 09:25 AM
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A good post and one that is repeated on other ethical forums.
I am administrator of a web site and forums with about 75,000 members so we do get various people who do post in a manner which does not fit into our way of thinking, even to the extent that they blame the rules for people not posting, However we have found the inverse to be true and people leave the forum area because of the type of behaviour which is not conducive to a harmonious and helpful environment.
 02 November 2009 10:30 AM
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75,000 members so we do get various people who do post in a manner which does not fit into our way of thinking,


Although it does appear ok to advertise electrical services on this site when posting. And someone using google may think that company is associated with the IET. I would think this more unexceptable than the odd, off the cuff remark.
 07 December 2009 05:09 PM
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What happened to my David Cameron Part P thread?

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 07 December 2009 06:39 PM
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"What happened to my David Cameron Part P thread?"whj

Would there be an element of irony in asking this in this topic headed:"Recent issues over inflammatory postings"?

I didn't read your topic but by naming a MP may have breached rule 5:

5.Messages, whether posted by IET members or others, should comply with the relevant sections of the Institution's rules of conduct. This includes, but is not limited to, those rules that concern objectiveness, concern for the reputation of others,

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 16 December 2009 06:27 PM
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The original post in that thread did not really show objectivity or concern for the reputation of others. It is possible to disagree fundamentally with someone, without making derogatory comments.

The policy on advertising (sorry, should have commented on that one earlier) is set out in the Conditions of Use. Generally, advertising is not allowed. However, we accept that contributors will occasionally reply to genuine enquiries by indicating that their employers offer suitable products or services, provided that they state clearly their connection with the company, so that others may judge how this affects their recommendation.

There can be a big difference here between someone with a long record of helpful advice to others who mentions on one occasion his own product, and someone whose first post is to advertise. It also makes a difference whether the questioner is seeking something rather unique, so that the reply identifies one of the few available options meeting the requirement.

Many users also use "signatures" to identify themselves, and this often involves naming an employer, or even providing a Web site link. Provided that the contributions are helpful, it does assist readers to know the background of the person making the comment, so this seems a good trade-off. However, we will continue to remove messages and threads where contributors' main aim appears to be less providing helpful advice from personal experience, than promoting their own products and services.

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 20 October 2010 04:16 PM
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This is good news for me, never liked forums, especially when you could get any tom dick or harry spurting out pointless critisms about nothing, I feel I'm gonna enjoy my stay here.

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 15 December 2010 10:13 AM
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One question for the moderator, can anyone join the IET forum?, I would have thought only members of the Institute would only be allowed, and with being a member comes a certain sense of respect for fellow professionals, hence I am suprised there has been recent problems if this is the case.

I thought it was only open for members but your comments about deleting spam daily appears to suggest this forum is open to anyone.

I have not personally used the forum for a while but it seemed ok last time I was actively involved. It appears I have missed a lot of ill mannered banter.
 15 December 2010 01:44 PM
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Absolutely, registrations on the Web site, and therefore for this forum, are open to both members and non-members of the IET. This reflects the role of the IET as both a membership organisation, and a charitable organisation with aims concerning the sharing and advancement of knowledge, to the benefit of society in general.

Whilst the forum is very much open to non-members, our conditions of use are explicitly based on the rules of conduct, to which all IET members subscribe. We do therefore require of all users the professional standards to which you refer, and moderation has been in the light of this.

Member log-in accounts, however, have various additional privileges, such as:


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 21 December 2010 06:07 PM
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I take is Ross; it would also be very hard to implement such a forum exclusively based on qualification?
 22 December 2010 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by: shaunbutler

I take is Ross; it would also be very hard to implement such a forum exclusively based on qualification?


Why on earth would you want to ? - what qualification would you pick as the benchmark even - why would you want control over who posts and who reads what.

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 22 December 2010 10:28 AM
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Actually we probably could Certainly we could restrict to members only. You're right however - there is no intention to do so.

Log-ins and registrations work across nearly all of the IET Web sites. They are integrated with the membership systems. The registration process is different for IET members and non-members, in order to allow us to provide the kinds of member-only service to which I referred previously. Hence we could provide a members-only discussion forum.

Equally, if we can define a group in the membership systems, we can provide a restricted-access service (including a discussion forum) for them. It seems perfectly feasible to create a group of members with professional registration and hence a restricted forum - but then, how would such members share their knowledge with other members and non-members?

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 22 December 2010 08:20 PM
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Originally posted by: OMS

Originally posted by: shaunbutler



I take is Ross; it would also be very hard to implement such a forum exclusively based on qualification?




Why on earth would you want to ? - what qualification would you pick as the benchmark even - why would you want control over who posts and who reads what.



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I dont. I'm the total oposite to it doing such a thing. I'd be intrested technology wise how they would somone implement it, it access, to say C&G datebase's possible ?
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